adambr2

Avi was one of those signings that a lot of us really tried to talk ourselves into. I think we've been walking around under the assumption that if Stearns makes a move it must be secretly genius. The reality is he makes mistakes too and Avi looks like a really bad signing.

It had been a good week since his last bone head play, so he was due.

There are many imperfections with the website but calling it trash based on an inability to assign accurate values to players with extreme long-term 9 figure contracts is just lazy and nonsensical. If there's a good way to value such players please explain; there just isn't. That's why such players being traded really only happen under extreme circumstances and usually involve less than top prospects and large sums of money being exchanged. Yes, you do have to exercise some degree of common sense and trying to determine fair value for guys like Yelich, Cole, Rendon, Lindor, etc, isn't going to be a productive exercise. Okay but I also traded our two ace caliber pitchers for a 24 year old 2B and two offensive prospects which the website considered fair value, when it's clearly not. It's not just 9 figure contracts that can give you values that are clearly way off base or "trash" if you will. Another one. Corbin Burnes and Luis Urias for Luis Castillo. Would you do it? It's fair value according to that site. Think we could get Ryan McMahon for Drew Rasmussen or Eric Lauer right now? No. That's why I do think there are a lot of crap individual valuations, but I don't think the site is necessarily crap for it. What they're attempting to do is almost impossible. It hasn't been done better by anyone else. I do think Burnes is criminally undervalued, but I'm sure they're still hedging based off '19. Woodruff seems about right. I certainly wouldn't do both starters for Albies, but he is really good and cheap for a long time. It's just impossible to value every single MLB player in a way that isn't questionable on many fronts.

I hardly think I suggested putting Houser on waivers, so I don't know what that has to do with anything. He's a better reliever than starter. That's all I said. I even said he's probably a serviceable back end of the rotation guy. Funny how all the people who are saying "no one should hold 2020 against Houser" were saying "Told you Houser belongs in the rotation" after 2 starts last season and are now quoting his ERA a month into 2021.

There are many imperfections with the website but calling it trash based on an inability to assign accurate values to players with extreme long-term 9 figure contracts is just lazy and nonsensical. If there's a good way to value such players please explain; there just isn't. That's why such players being traded really only happen under extreme circumstances and usually involve less than top prospects and large sums of money being exchanged. Yes, you do have to exercise some degree of common sense and trying to determine fair value for guys like Yelich, Cole, Rendon, Lindor, etc, isn't going to be a productive exercise.

Braves need pitching, we need offense and we're getting more overall value. Done deal, right? Or do I need to keep making trades to show that website is garbage? What are you trading them for, Acuna? I guess you could have just answered my honest question but way to go the extra mile to show some extreme values to illustrate what everyone already knows, that you do have to apply some common sense to each individual situation and just because a guy has an assigned surplus or negative value doesn't mean they would realistically be traded because each situation is unique.

Everyone seems to be operating under the assumption that because we were good with Yelich and Cain out and now we got them back we're going to go from good to awesome. Unfortunately that's just not necessarily how it works. Our best stretch in '19 was after Yelich broke his kneecap. It's baseball. We'll see what happens. But our current record is no reason to not always be looking for ways to improve.

I'm ready for Nottingham to play some first. Vogelbach just sucks. He had one game this year where he hit 2 bombs and other than that game he has had no business on an active roster much less starting every day.

He'd be more fine as a reliever if we had better starting options.

Nobody hates Houser. He's just a lot better reliever than a starter.

I think it's accepted that teams don't have to trade guys if they don't get the value they feel they should. That's why we didn't trade Hader. We had one value on him, the rest of the league had another. It's definitely not a perfect science. It's just a tool.

Turang is listed at 22.8, Lindblom -2.2, Fulmer 4.5 and Boyd 13.4. Which of those do you think is way off base?

Yeah, they wpuldn't touch that. They could probably get multiple prospects for both with at least one being at Turang's level or better. So add several more prospects and then if they want Lindblom to fill in innings but you're not getting one, much less both for Turang and a player we don't want. Yeah I really doubt it. Both have one more year of control after this year and are more #3 than ace quality pitchers. Sellers just aren't getting enormous returns even for quality pitching. I put this one through the public trade evaluator and it comes out almost dead even. I realize that isn't the end all. It I think you're overestimating the trade value of these guys. . Fulmer just hasn't recovered alt of his value. Boyd, maybe. Hiura's value has tanked enough that maybe it's a better match to do both for Hiura instead, but I'm only suggesting that because I've been on record saying trade Hiura now before it becomes obvious to everyone that he can't play and his value totally tanks. I certainly wouldn't do him for less than both, though.

The Tigers are 8-21 and have Michael Fulmer and Matthew Boyd. Give them Hiura and Taylor and call it a day. I'd do Turang+Lindblom for both (I realize Lindblom has no value, but they need a starting pitcher after losing two)

I wonder how much of a premium we'd have to pay for Rizzo.

The Tigers are 8-21 and have Michael Fulmer and Matthew Boyd.

Trash 3rd strike call to Yelich.

Houser is a guy in the middle. The difference between the top guys on the pitching staff to the middle guys on this pitching staff is vast. The difference between the middle guys on this pitching staff to the bottom guys on this pitching staff is vast. That's why we've gotten slaughtered when games have required those bottom guys . I'd take our two best starters and two best relievers over just about any teams, but the deep part of our pitching staff lacks any kind of depth. You don't need to be a great arm as the last guy or two in a pitching staff but we've thrown too many guys out there this year that just don't belong on an MLB roster.

0-2 to the pitcher and Houser lays one right down the middle to the pitcher and gives up another run. I really hope Lauer ends up just pitching Houser into the pen.

The Herrera play was not his fault but Houser mostly just giving up hard contact after hard contact.

Can't really think of a reason he should be hitting less than 5th. At least put him ahead of Garcia.

Wish Houser could have helped his own cause. Doesn't look like a day that you want to be trailing after 5.

I don't buy this. Tomorrow's lineup is totally rigid and can't be altered based on who might be hot today, who might not be feeling great tomorrow, etc? Not feeling great sure……one replacement level player has a good day…. doubt they are going to give that much weight at all. Depends what the alternative is. If my alternative is Narvaez, for sure, I'm not going to put much stock in it. If my alternative is Maile, I'll just stick with the guy coming off a multi HR game.

I agree he's a lot better reliever than starter, but he's probably ok as a #5. We just don't have 5 better options to push him to the pen where he belongs. Could stand to add another starter before the deadline.

I don't buy this. Tomorrow's lineup is totally rigid and can't be altered based on who might be hot today, who might not be feeling great tomorrow, etc?