adambr2

Well, sacrifices will need to be made somewhere. I don't know who is realistically available at the right price at 1B that will be better than that platoon.

I agree that Villar most likely is not coming here but Urias shouldn't have anything to do with it. Villar fits as either a regular 3B insurance if Shaw doesn't rebound, or if he does, as a super sub all around at 3rd, 2nd, and SS. There's plenty of reps in that role. Villar fits no matter what happens with Urias. For all we know, they don't think Hiura's glove will ever be good enough and plan to shop him high now this offseason.

Well, there was a reason we traded for Schoop, too. Obviously, you sometimes end up being wrong.

I don't know enough about offseason waivers to know if we'd even have a shot. If it's his choice, unfortunately, I doubt Milwaukee is high on his preferred list. He didn't seem to jive very well with Counsell and was jerked around considerably in 2018 before being traded to the worst team in baseball.

I'll say. What a horrible look, losing arguably your best player, who is controllable, because you don't want to pay him $10M even though you aren't payroll stretched.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/orioles-jonathan-villar-waivers.html I'd love to have him back, he'd be a great fit for this current team. How often does a controllable 4 WAR player get waived? Just wonder if the bridge is burned on one or both sides. (Feel free to move to transaction rumors/proposals if deemed more appropriate there)

Yeah they must absolutely be in love with Grisham. I would have to believe that they could have gotten more for Urias if teams had known he was being actively shopped.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/padres-to-acquire-trent-grisham.html Wait, WE get the PTBNL or cash?

Can they get anything for Arcia from anyone? Even a flyer prospect?

I must be losing it. I thought he was supposed to be out a good month or more.

Not trying to start an argument, but wouldn't it just make sense to bring back Thames and Aguilar to play 1B? A relatively inexpensive platoon in order to allocate resources to pay Moose and some SP. I really would have no issue with it if you could bring Jesus back for the minimum and Thames for 4-5M. The 26th man in 2020 should make it easier.

Did...people really think non-jokingly that a player modeling uniforms would make one more or less likely to be traded? No offense to anyone who did...but players have been traded before right before their own bobblehead days. Stuff happens and plans are always fluid.

I really think it's NBA Finals or bust this season. It's hard to see anyone in the East outlasting us in a 7 game series this time around now that Leonard is out. Last year they could still use the progress/gaining playoff experience excuse. This year, I really do think anything short of playing in the NBA Finals is a disappointing season. But they've still got to earn it.

Is Davante Adams hurting this offense? Seriously.. Yes, he's the best receiver on the team and it's not even close. Yet, when he was out all of October, the Packer offense was rolling. Rodgers was averaging over 300 yards per game. 10 touchdowns to 1 INT in October. Since Adams returned, Rodgers has seen the endzone twice in 3 games and is averaging a pathetic 166 yards passing per game. This is frustrating to say the least. Something is different about this offense with Adams in it. I can't explain it. Is it the secondary roles that everyone else takes when Adams is in? Is it just Rodgers paying no one else any attention? Logically, if the lack of weapons is the problem, the offense should have been nonexistent when Adams was out in October. But that's not what happened.

Yes. We've had HOF caliber quarterbacks for 20 years and have been to the Super Bowl once in that period. I think it's fair to expect more. I temper expectations when it's warranted. I didn't expect a thing out of the Brewers in 2016 or 2017 and certainly didn't expect an NLCS in 2018. Seems like many want us to be sold on the idea that we should just be happy if we can go out, maybe win a division, maybe win a playoff game, rinse and repeat. I don't buy it. I think when you have one of the greatest QBs ever maybe it's okay to expect a little more. The bottom line is that these last 8 years have been a failure. And it's okay to say that. We've had Aaron Rodgers and we have had playoff teams most years and we haven't been to the Super Bowl. That does not meet expectations nor should it. And how is this not entitlement? It would seem to me to be a pretty much a textbook example. There unfortunately is a pretty fine line between expectation and entitlement. Well, I disagree with your application of the word "entitlement". My oldest child is 15. He is a really smart, gifted kid, and athletic, great runner. If he squanders what he has and is living at home jobless in 10 years, I'll be disappointed, but I don't think he's entitled to success. He still has to go out and earn it. In the same way, I don't think the Packers or their fans are entitled to any success. I don't think that's what this is. I think expectations have been high because they've had a gift of elite QB play for the last 27 years and have failed to meet expectations by squandering it most years. Ted Thompson had the prime years of a HOF caliber quarterback to try to surround him with a talented enough team to compete for championships and chose instead to try to do things his way and only his way. It failed, and yeah, that's really disappointing. If you want to call it entitled, you have the right to your choice of words.

I'm not pinning this on MLF or Gute. I'm disappointed from a recent historical perspective, and I'm disappointed that we clearly have a ways to go yet, but I'm not disappointed in MLF or Gute. MLF has done very well to turn this around as quickly as possible, though I will say the Packers should have been better than their records were the last 2 years. There's no blaming MLF if this season only results in a WC and one and done. This is not a 1 year project. He has some learning to do and probably needs to hire his own DC, but there's no reason to think he shouldn't be a long-term guy here. Gute is fine. He looks the same as 20 other league GMs to me. Probably should have moved on from Graham, but has had some really good signings. Has some really good picks even if the Gary pick looks not that great so far.

Yes. We've had HOF caliber quarterbacks for 20 years and have been to the Super Bowl once in that period. I think it's fair to expect more. I temper expectations when it's warranted. I didn't expect a thing out of the Brewers in 2016 or 2017 and certainly didn't expect an NLCS in 2018. Seems like many want us to be sold on the idea that we should just be happy if we can go out, maybe win a division, maybe win a playoff game, rinse and repeat. I don't buy it. I think when you have one of the greatest QBs ever maybe it's okay to expect a little more. The bottom line is that these last 8 years have been a failure. And it's okay to say that. We've had Aaron Rodgers and we have had playoff teams most years and we haven't been to the Super Bowl. That does not meet expectations nor should it.

Stop pouting and people won't do that. I know you're the only one sulking because the Packers got their clock cleaned and acting like the season is over. You spent the night arguing this straw man that the Packers aren't going to win the Super Bowl. Something I think a very small minority of people think they will do this year. Don't think I ever told you to grow up or stop sulking when you've beaten the horse to death on how bad instant replay is and how you want it gone, or any other time you've stood alone on something. Things like that don't help anyone. No one in the history of the Internet has ever responded to "Grow up" with a positive, open reaction. I have a right to express my disappointment, particularly in an IGT, as long as it falls within the rules of this board. You don't have to like it, but it doesn't need approval, either. I don't think the season is over, I'm disappointed because I had to really lower expectations for the remainder of the season after last night because I just now see too big of a gap between the Packers and the top tier teams in the conference. I also don't think more than a small minority of people probably expected to win the Super Bowl, but up until last night, I think there were a growing number of people that at least figured we had as good of chance as any to come out of the NFC.

Mostly agreed. I get the idea of trying to put a top defense around Rodgers too but Thompson delivered so many busts on both sides of the ball that it just decimated our chances to help either side. There's still time to put enough talent around him before his career is over but the hourglass is getting low. And as we saw last night we still have a long ways to go.

Says the guy who predicted a win and resulting #1 seed for us tonight and now you're saying we were never really that good. Of course I didn't expect a juggernaut in the top tier of teams coming into this season. As the season progressed, however, expectations change. As it did for many of you as well. I mean, come on, many people here were talking about us as Super Bowl contenders the last few weeks and prior to the Charger game and now that we've gotten stomped in San Francisco the narrative has changed back to "well we were never going to be a contender this year anyway." Easy to say now, even though it's a lot more obvious than it was 4 hours ago. Of course I'm disappointed that the team I thougt yesterday had a chance to play for a Super Bowl (and many of us did, if you're honest) looks now to be a team that is still a ways away. Back it up. I never predicted a one seed for the Packers. I liked their chances to win but didn't foresee this laying down. I simply thought SF was kinda in the same place the Packers were. Grow up a bit. Your hissy fit over their performance is getting silly. My point from the first line was that you, and me, along with many others, were convinced recently that this could be a Super Bowl team this year, you said yourself recently that you thought they had a chance to come out of the NFC, and I was very disappointed in the result when they finally faced their first real test to see if that was a possibility. Don't tell me to grow up again. You don't know me from any other poster on the net.

I'm sure you guys are right. It's just tough to get that reality check and realize you're not there yet when you had really begun to hope. Oh well, the Bucks could realistically win a championship now.

Says the guy who predicted a win and resulting #1 seed for us tonight and now you're saying we were never really that good. Of course I didn't expect a juggernaut in the top tier of teams coming into this season. As the season progressed, however, expectations change. As it did for many of you as well. I mean, come on, many people here were talking about us as Super Bowl contenders the last few weeks and prior to the Charger game and now that we've gotten stomped in San Francisco the narrative has changed back to "well we were never going to be a contender this year anyway." Easy to say now, even though it's a lot more obvious than it was 4 hours ago. Of course I'm disappointed that the team I thougt yesterday had a chance to play for a Super Bowl (and many of us did, if you're honest) looks now to be a team that is still a ways away.

It literally and figuratively is one game. On to New York. If you chose to have no hope for this team the next 5 weeks, that is certainly your right. Personally, I'm going to enjoy watching a team march toward the playoffs after not being there the last two seasons. If I have made one huge mistake, it's expecting some sort of big "signature win" out of this team. A game where they look great on offense and defense and get a blowout against a lesser team, or a tough, hard fought crisp game against the tough opponent. Perhaps that isn't what this team is, though. The next 5 weeks don't concern me. I think this team is well equipped to win 4 out of the last 5 games or so against inferior opponents and then not do much after that against playoff opponents.

Terrible, uninspired crap sandwich of a game. That can't be argued. but it's not the end of their season, either. Well, the problem is they played a terrible uninspired crap sandwich of a game against the Chargers as well. I'm generally benign, leaning towards optimism, but this offense is really bad right now. Aaron Jones is out there giving it all he's got, but he isn't enough on his own. The WR corps is a gimpy Adams and a bunch of young guys who just aren't very good at all. Then you have 53 year old Jimmy Graham who looks like he needs Life Alert, and this offense is just plain bad. I don't see an answer for that right now. This is exactly it. Their record is fine. The standings are fine. Those aren't the problems. The problem is that they are a really bad team in a lot of areas and a really good football team in not many areas. They don't have weapons in the passing game. They don't stop the run. They don't defend the pass well. They don't play well on special teams. Even their pass rush ranks in the bottom half of the league. They have Aaron Jones who does well, and Aaron Rodgers can exploit really bad defenses that he won't see in the playoffs. That's not much to be optimistic about. I think they're a paper tiger.

It's more than just one game. I can't get over the fact that any time this offense faces a competent defense, they fail. I can't get over the fact that this special teams is going to literally set NFL records in futility. This defense does some things well, but they'd have to be on a 49er defense level to carry this team, and they're not even close to good enough to do it. They've won a lot of games that probably could have gone either way and most of the games they lost they weren't even close to winning. I just don't see much staying power in January, especially against this wicked field.