I don't doubt this, but when I hear stuff like this said about a player, I always want some kind of proof. I mean what level of a turd was he? A floater? A bottom of the bowl submarine? Do we have examples where he undermined management, or picked fights with players? Or did he just hog the buffet table and let loose with bad gas in the dugout? I see what you're saying. They knew he was bad, but maybe they didn't know how bad he was or they thought they had the guys in the locker room that wouldn't allow for the behavior. He really was a waste of space. I was at the Atlanta game towards the end of the year where he must have ran the slowest I've ever seen anyone run to first base. Atlanta fans were even giving him a hard time and a few Braves fans told me they felt bad for me since Estrada was on the Brewers. He clearly didn't make any fans in Atlanta during his time there.