I think you missed the point my friend... it's only hindsight in that I'm applying what I know now to what I didn't know then. If we were to take the same group of posters from this forum now, how would we react to the trade using only the stats through 2005 and their scouting reports? I really liked the way Dave Bush played the game, he played without fear, he was a bulldog on the mound during his time in Milwaukee, but there is literally no way I pick him out of the group of Toronto's MLB ready pitchers at that time, and I'm certain no else would either. We've become so much better educated over the years as a site (or maybe I just caught up?) that I would shred that trade if it happened now, the same way I attacked acquiring Marcum this winter. Ultimately we gave up impact talent for a finesse pitcher that should have been acquired for similar talent years earlier. Like Peaveyfury said last year, and rightly so, I've crapped on just about every move Melvin has made the more educated I've become and the more research I've done. He's wasted a plethora of resources over the years for very little return... the Morgan deal is looking to be extremely economical and maybe his best trade in Milwaukee. It's hard to screw up when you trade for Sabathia, Marcum, and Greinke, the pitchers are going to pitch well enough to have an immediate impact and in Sabathia's case the playoff appearance meant more to people than what would come after it. The fallout is harder to see and anticipate, and many posters around here still refuse to acknowledge that acquiring Sabathia directly led to the poor starting pitching in 2009 and 2010. Milwaukee just doesn't have infinite resources, every move has had a domino effect and will continue to domino, including the Marcum and Greinke deals. We won't win consistently by patching the organization's holes with temporary solutions, we'll only win consistently when our farm system can sustain the big league team, and there's no way that can happen cycling talent the way that Melvin does. Somehow we've gone from trying to replace the depth lost in the 1st wave of talent that graduated to MLB with a 2nd wave, to trading away almost the entire second wave, and now we're trying to rebuild the system and replenish the MLB roster with wave 3. Color me unexcited about the direction of the organization... I long for 2006 when I was filled with overwhelming optimism, instead of the pessimism and contempt I now have towards the front office in general.