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Well it's pretty easy to make a point when you take the extreme best case examples and ignore everyone else who failed along the way because of injury or ineffectiveness. It's not fair to point to changed mechanics and the reason Rogers got injured, there's no proof. The Brewers didn't tinker with Mike Jones and TJ surgery ended up leading to shoulder surgery, in fact he had 3 surgeries in all. Or Nick Neugebauer for that matter, he blew out his shoulder after a flash of brilliance and was done. In fact the only 2 top of the rotation pitchers the Brewers have successfully developed in Sheets and Gallardo had relatively clean mechanics from the start. Sheets was a poor enough athlete that had he tried to pitch in a different manner he wouldn't have made it. I have no interest in debating that there is in fact a proper way to throw a baseball which will increase accuracy and reduce injuries, people are going to believe whatever they want to believe, I've experience it personally and I know it to be true, and I'll try to explain it as best I can. For whatever reason in baseball has the effect of entrenching people in philosophies that may or may not be even close to true or correct. For example the claim you made that throwing from a lower arm angle reduces injuries because old time pitchers threw batting practice that way, even though they were simply using the muscles in a different manner to avoid the "soreness" they were experiencing from game action. Most kids are taught how to throw by well intentioned parents, regardless of how little the parents know or how bad their mechanics are, maybe the kid will have a strong arm and experience success in baseball, eventually end up where they are not because they were ever taught properly at any level, but because they had natural gifts and aptitude for the game. I'll ask this question, why is that QBs at all level football can throw a much heavier ball, 80+ times every day 40-50 of which will be max effort, and not have arm trouble or need TJ/shoulder surgery? I think that answer is pretty simple, with the extra weight of the football when you throw it incorrectly you can actually feel the pain in your arm so there has been a ton of work done to determine and teach proper mechanics. If it hurts, human nature is to look for a different way and not repeat whatever "hurt"... but a baseball is so lightweight that one can basically throw it however they want and the effects end up being measured on a cumulative basis over time, there's not immediate physical feedback that what you are doing is hard on the arm. Oh, and before anyone says it throwing is throwing, the only difference between throwing a baseball and throwing a football is how you finish with your throwing hand, the release is different, that's all. There is no fundamental difference between throwing a football or baseball. There is however no mechanism nor is there any agreement in baseball on what proper throwing mechanics are. Great athletes can make anything work, everyone else not so much, and it takes many guys with the more screwy mechanics many 1000s more repetitions figure out how to throw enough strikes to be effective. Instead of acknowledging the harder path the player took baseball people throw the "late bloomer" or "finally realized potential" tags on a pitcher. As to what TH will write, he's going to write whatever the organizational spin on a particular player or topic is, because that's all he's ever done in Milwaukee. Being a baseball writer doesn't mean he's knowledgeable enough in the wide variety of disciplines necessary to understand pitching let alone assess whether a team is on the proper track or not. I seriously have a hard time believing that in 2015 people are still willing to take a "mystical" approach to pitching when the answers are rather straight forward and grounded in relatively simple geometry, physics, and bio mechanics: As to what I've learned: Imagine a vertical pole running through the pectoral muscle of the pitcher's throwing arm, and now imagine it creates a thin wall extending all the way to home plate. That vertical pole represents a geometric plane. Every joint in the body is a physical "lever", and the object when trying to achieve precision whether shooting a basketball, throwing a football, or throwing a baseball is to have as many levers working the same plane as possible. The farther away from that center plane your levers such as your elbow and wrist are, the more your muscles have to compensate and adjust for accuracy. That's why no one who's any good shoots a basketball with their elbow out to the side at a 45 degree angle... it will happen accidentally and the player will miss right or left, we call that "flying" the elbow, but there aren't many very good shooters who shoot with his/elbow elbow to the side. Larry Byrd is the only one that comes to mind for me, and he mastered his shot through hundreds of thousands of extra repetitions. In the same way no body parts should be crossing that plane until the arm on the follow through after the release. If you aren't stepping straight down that plane at your target you introduce rotational effects into the throwing motion which the body will need to compensate for as well such as centrifugal force, not to mention balance issues which need to be compensated for and effect accuracy. Chris Archer would be an extreme example out of the wind-up, he has a very slow and deliberate balance mechanism which had to take years to master. So simply put if the angles of attack and balance points are constantly changing it's very difficult for the body to repeatedly be precise in any endeavor. That's just the accuracy side, I won't even go into how rotational motion bleeds velocity off the pitches, or all of the various out of sync issues in a throwing motion which can put extra stress on the various joints in the arm (commonly referred to as dragging the arm) and lead to injury. There is a "correct" way to throw which pretty much anyone can master ensuring accuracy and health, or as much health as possible with a motion that isn't ergonomic, but the problem with baseball is that very few pitchers throw in that manner where as in football every QB at the collegiate level or higher has very good form. There are outliers like Farve who did everything fundamentally wrong from a throwing standpoint but could still deliver the ball on time in the window and with a certain degree of accuracy, special athletes will always be the exceptions, but any good QB coach is going to have all of his QBs throwing with nearly the same motion. The same cannot be said of pitching coaches in baseball.

He could be a Brewer, let's sign him up!

I get what you're saying but if you were without a doubt going to take the money in the 4th then why not take the same money in the 7th?

Hot Rods slip past Rattlers Wisconsin commits four errors in 5-2 loss By Chris Mehring / Wisconsin Timber Rattlers http://www.milb.com/assets/images/7/5/2/129067752/cuts/6_June_6_Sthervin_Matos_t7nekk4l_irg0mzt2.jpg Sthervin Matos homered and drove in a pair of runs for the Timber Rattlers at Bowling Green on Saturday night. (Wisconsin Timber Rattlers/Ann Mollica) BOWLING GREEN, KY - The Wisconsin Timber Rattlers had an early lead, but they could not hold onto the lead or the ball in a 5-2 loss to the Bowling Green Hot Rods at Bowling Green Ballpark on Saturday night. The Timber Rattlers committed four errors in the game as three of the Hot Rods runs were unearned. The loss snapped Wisconsin's modest two-game winning streak. Wisconsin (20-42) continued their trend of scoring early in games with a pair of runs in the second inning. Dustin DeMuth doubled with one out. Sthervin Matos followed with a line drive home run to left field for a 2-0 lead. The homer by Matos, his fifth of the season, allowed the Rattlers to score first for the fifth game in a row. The Rattlers had a chance to add to their lead against Bowling Green starting pitcher Greg Harris in the top of the sixth inning. Harris issued three straight walks with two outs to load the bases, but got a grounder to end the inning. The Hot Rods (36-26) took advantage of three Wisconsin errors in the bottom of the sixth inning to tie the game. The inning started with Christian Toribio reaching on an error. Thomas Milone was next and he sent a grounder to Gregory Munoz at short. Munoz raced to second for the force, but his throw to first was wild and that allowed Milone to take second base. Riley Unroe followed with a bunt single to put runners at the corners. Jace Conrad's slow chopper near second was fielded by Tucker Neuhaus, who stepped on the bag for the out, but the throw to first was just late to allow Milone to score. Casey Gillaspie was next and he sent a slow roller out in front of the plate. Catcher Carlos Leal pounced on the ball, but his hurried throw was wild and the ball rolled down the line in right. Conrad scored all the way from first on the play and the game was tied. Those two unearned runs were the only runs allowed by Wisconsin starter Zach Hirsch. The lefty out of Nebraska allowed four hits, walked one, and struck out two, but was not involved in the decision. Bowling Green took the lead in the bottom of the seventh against reliever Zach Cooper. Bralin Jackson singled to start the inning. Hunter Lockwood stepped in with one out and tripled down the line in right to score Jackson with the go-ahead run. Cooper got the second out with a grounder that kept Lockwood at third base. However, a misplay on a grounder that would have been the third out of the inning allowed Lockwood to score and the Hot Rods were up 4-2. Wisconsin loaded the bases again in the top of the eighth inning. Neuhaus singled to start the inning. Leal and DeMuth singled with two outs to put a Rattler on every base. But, another ground out ended the threat. Gillaspie, the Midwest League leader in home runs, added to his total with two outs and none on in the eighth inning. The Bowling Green slugger lifted a fly to right that carried into the Wisconsin bullpen for his fifteenth home run of the season. Meyer doubled with one out in the top of the ninth against Bowling Green reliever Edgar Gomez, but the Rattlers couldn't do anything with that hit. The win by Bowling Green allowed them to move into a first-place tie with the Lansing Lugnuts in the Eastern Division. Lansing lost 3-1 at Cedar Rapids on Saturday and both the Hot Rods and Lugnuts 36-26 with eight games remaining in the first half of the Midwest League season, Game two of the series is Sunday afternoon at Bowling Green Ballpark. Kodi Medeiros (2-2, 4.21) is the scheduled starting pitcher for the Timber Rattlers. The Hot Rods have Hryum Formo (4-1, 3.91) as their scheduled starter. Game time is 2:05pm. Catch the broadcast on AM1280, WNAM starting with the Miller Lite Pregame Show at 1:45pm. The broadcast may also be heard on Tune In Radio and IHeartRadio. HOME RUNS: WIS: Sthervin Matos (5th, 1 on in 2nd inning off Greg Harris, 1 out) BG: Casey Gillaspie (15th, 0 on in 8th inning off Zach Cooper, 2 out) WP: Edgar Gomez (4-3) LP: Zach Cooper (0-1) TIME: 2:12 ATTN: 3,991 Wisconsin Boxscore Zach Hirsch has 2 blow up outings this year but otherwise he's been steady, he's not going to blow anyone away with his FB or stuff, but he knows how to pitch. I haven't seen his A pick-off move yet so I'm not sure of the quality, but he picked off a guy tonight. I'm not feeling this Zach Cooper acquisition, maybe he'll figure it out but any pitcher dropping from AA to A ball should dominate out of the gate. I we'll see how it turns out, as it stands he's not really taking a roster spot from a more deserving prospect so it's probably an experiment worth pursuing. Last week in one of the televised games the opposing 3B had 3 errors in 2 innings and I remember thinking at the time how nice it was that the for the most part the Rattlers have capable defenders on this year's squad. That wasn't the case tonight as Gregory Munoz had a real tough day and as noted in the game story Carlos Leal made a rare defensive miscue. This is the first game in quite a while I felt the Rattlers let slip away. Dustin DeMuth and Mitch Meyer each went 2-4 with a 2B. Chris mentioned during the broadcast with the realignment of the rotation Kodi Medeiros will get the start at Miller Park on the 19th. Mehring also spent some time praising Elvis Rubio's new approach but jinxed him since he came up empty in tonight's game. Wisconsin Recap

I heard an interesting story from the Northwoods League this week... a position player was told by the Rays that they'd draft him in the 4th round but it happened a pitcher they had rated higher was unexpected still on the board to they took him instead. When they called back and offered 500K to their original 4th round target in the 7th the kid and the family told them no way because they "lied" and didn't take him in the 4th. So even though the Rays offered exactly the same money, a bit more actually, because the family didn't understand the draft process they walked away and the Rays ultimately spent that money on their 11th round pick that year. Obviously the young man is extremely confident he'll perform well enough to get drafted higher and get a better a signing bonus as a junior and maybe he will. However had he performed right away as a professional he'd likely be in A ball in first full season as the Rays push their prospects, or at the very least he'd be in A ball the following year, and in A+ the year after when he'd be getting redrafted. Taking the money right away he would have been set to start the AA the year after he'll be drafted again where he's just an injury away from fulfilling his dream, but in reality he'll likely be all the way back in A ball at the same point in his career coming out of college. Signing bonuses are great, but they aren't the real money in baseball, and if this young man makes it he will have reduced his peak earning potential by 2 years over pure silliness. It seems to me as a neutral observer that the Rays had a player fall in their lap, then went with 2 senior signs, then went back after this young man offering the same money they originally promised when they were sure they would have the pool money to make it happen. I don't see any dishonestly on the part of the team in this case, and ultimately who cares it was the 4th or 7th round if the money is the same? However this family is convinced the Rays cheated them which makes me wonder who was actually advising this kid and what he was saying? There's a whole lot of crazy out there, you just never know...

Draft Proves Canadian Baseball Is Thriving June 13, 2015 by Alexis Brudnicki

From Baseball America when he was ranked #15 prospect coming into the season:

Rattlers to a rain delay leading 5-3 in the bottom of the 6th. I'm wiped out, if I fall asleep before it finishes and the game story is up I'll get the post tomorrow morning.

That's not part of the bonus, that's part of the agreement, it's more of a "if/then" type of thing. "If" the player doesn't reach MLB "then" they get money for college. I actually think money for college should be a standard part of every HS contract, maybe not a full ride, but something to fall back on... The draft has gotten much better, or at least the rules have allowed the Brewers to compete better (since they didn't go over slot and were all about signability prior), but it's still a horribly flawed system. The whole "senior sign" thing is so ridiculous, you would think MLB would be able to do better with the draft, the minors, and international signings but baseball is just so slow to change.

Being able to do that depends largely on how much of the original bonus pool money is left, I don't think there's anyway we get one of them for $400K. I gotta believe both the 14th and 18th round picks will eat into that available pool as well, HS players singing after the 10th round are typically overslot, I would say always as I don't remember anyone not being so, but it's probably happened for one of the teams.

I agree to certain extent that success and failure can be contagious in sports, but losing with veteran players has nothing to do with how a rebuilt team will perform. Ultimately it's production that determines who wins and loses, and by and large at the professional level that's a reflection of the talent on the team. Oldy Ramirez isn't going to play like he did in his first season with the Brewers again... because he's old... and that's how aging works. He's a worse player than he was when his contract was signed, as is Lohse. Posters can and will spin this stuff however they want to make their point but I'll say that the worst thing that could happen would be for this team to go on a big run and make a push for .500 because that would validate this strategy of mediocrity that management has been pursuing. If you aren't building towards something your organization is stagnant, and the Brewers have been stagnant for a long time. You can continue moving the organization forward by shrewdly moving assets around but the Brewers operate on such narrow range of possibilities that they are either "sellers" or "buyers", there's no in-between. When operating that way there's no room for regularly cycling older talent off the MLB roster and eventually the team ends up exactly where it is... Old, expensive, and marginally productive. At some point Brewer management needs to get past player X vs player Y for the current calendar year and start looking farther ahead. That way we would avoid all these FA contracts for middling players of all types, especially in the rotation, which limits the overall ceiling of the team and franchise. The Brewers aren't destined to be mediocre, just getting playoff appearances here and there bought with prospects, it wasn't preordained, it's not fate... being average is the way the organization chooses to operate because there are no well defined goals or plan to achieve those goals. It's just whack-a-mole with holes in the roster from year to year, and nothing is really going to change until we can develop a trio of top of the rotation pitchers at the same time, until that point this is all just window dressing to sell tickets. This all comes back to pitching, the Brewers have never had enough because they couldn't draft, sign, or develop it... and then knowing they didn't have top of the rotation talent they wouldn't target it via trades for unproven pitching instead opting to trade for proven short term MLB solutions and sign averagish players to FA contracts. "Trying to win as many as games possible" in the current calendar year is a completely abstract concept, it's not a plan, there are no achievable goals, there's no road map, it's just sign this $10,000,000 player to a 3yr contract because he's better than who we have. We'll be around .500, sell a bunch of tickets, and fans will have enough "hope" of a playoff appearance to keep the cycle going. Please just play around .500 ball the rest of the way, no hot streaks... this organization needs an abrupt change in direction and strategy. If the Brewers play back to around .500 we'll have the inevitable yip yap about "bad luck" and this train will continue moving in the same direction it has been. I jumped off the train a very long time ago, it would be nice to be able to get back on-board.

Just a reminder that the signing deadline is no longer in August, it's now in July.

This means, for now, Gregory Munoz should get the bulk of starts at shortstop; Francisco Castillo started 12 games at short for Helena in 2014. The Timber Rattler OF rotation will include Meyer, Pena, Brandon Diaz and Elvis Rubio, with Castillo in the occasional mix as well. Yep with Luis Aviles assigned back to Helena he's it SS wise on the T-Rats active roster.

Which Teams Are Going Over Their International Bonus Pools? June 12, 2015 by Ben Badler

Timber Rattlers drop Dragons 8-1 By Chris Mehring / Wisconsin Timber Rattlers http://www.milb.com/assets/images/2/0/8/127793208/cuts/May31_Devin_Williams_WEB_fmsluiom_s3c0ulcr.jpg Devin Williams allowed one run on two hits over six innings to earn the win at Dayton on June 11. (Wisconsin Timber Rattlers/Ann Mollica) DAYTON, OH - Devin Williams allowed one run on two hits over six innings and was backed by a 14-hit attack from the Wisconsin Timber Rattlers offense in an 8-1 win over the Dayton Dragons Thursday night at Fifth Third Field. Wisconsin (19-41) grabbed the lead in the first inning. Brandon Diaz singled with one out and Elvis Rubio doubled to put runners at second and third. Dustin DeMuth drove in Diaz with a grounder to second. The Rattlers added to their lead in the second inning. Carlos Leal, Jake Gatewood, and Tucker Neuhaus started the second with consecutive singles to load the bases. Monte Harrison followed with a double off the wall in right to drive in Leal and Gatewood. The throw to the infield got away and that allowed Neuhaus to score and Harrison to take third base. Sthervin Matos made it 5-0 with a sacrifice fly that scored Harrison. DeMuth doubled to start the Wisconsin third inning. Leal drove in DeMuth with a one-out single and Wisconsin's lead reached 6-0. Wisconsin starting pitcher Devin Williams retired the first ten batters he faced in the game. He walked Luis Gonzalez with one out in the fourth. A bloop single by Gavin LaValley on a hit-and-run put Gonzalez to third base. Brian O'Grady drove in Gonzalez with a sacrifice fly to left to get the Dragons (31-29) on the scoreboard. Williams pitched six innings for the Timber Rattlers. The only other hit he allowed was a two-out bunt single by Jimmy Pickens in the fifth inning. Williams walked one and struck out four to put himself in line for his second straight win. Wisconsin padded their advantage with a run in the top of the seventh inning. Francisco Castillo singled with two outs and moved to second on a balk. Leal singled, his third hit of the night, to drive in Castillo for a 7-1 lead. The Dragons put two runners on with no outs in the bottom of the seventh against reliever Joshua Torres, but Paul Kroenenfeld hit a line drive at Tucker Neuhaus, who was able to turn an unassisted double play by stepping on second base. In the eighth, Dayton had runners at first and third with one out against Torres, but the Wisconsin reliever got LaValley to ground into an inning-ending 4-6-3 double play. Wisconsin plated one more run in the game. Rubio doubled, his third double of the game, to start the ninth inning. He would score on an two-out error later in the inning. Josh Uhen, the Rattlers third pitcher of the night, allowed a leadoff single in the bottom of the ninth. He would retire the next three batters to close out the game. The Timber Rattlers collected fourteen hits in the game to match their season-high hit total. The Timber Rattlers also had five doubles in the game. Game three of the series is Friday night at Fifth Third Field. Cy Sneed (2-7, 2.41) is the scheduled starting pitcher for the Timber Rattlers. Dayton will send Tejay Antone (3-5, 2.73) to the mound. Game time is 6:07pm CDT. Catch the broadcast on AM1280, WNAM starting with the Miller Lite Pregame Show at 5:45pm. The broadcast may also be heard on Tune In Radio and IHeartRadio. Subscribers to MiLB.TV can follow the action that way. WP: Devin Williams (2-3) LP: Jose Morillo (1-1) TIME: 2:35 ATTN: 8,635 Wisconsin Boxscore Devin Williams has made rapid adjustments, as bad as his first 3 appearances were his last 3 have been that good lowering his ERA to just under 4. He's slowly lowering his BB rate as well, he's been excellent of late. With the Medeiros/Burkhalter tandem pitching well, Williams finding his groove, Sneed's steady dominance, and Angel Ventura's filth this rotation has slowly turned a corner. This could be a fun second half. I highlighted the Monte Harrison double above not just because he doubled the other way, but because I don't remember him taking a ball the other way all season. It's entirely possible it wasn't his first given the games I've missed, but it stuck out as progress to tattoo a ball the other way. Monte now has hits in 4 of the last 6 games, it would be awesome if he could keep this going as he transitions down to Helena. Elvis Rubio (3-5, 3 2B), Dustin DeMuth (2-5,2B), Carlos Leal (3-5), and Jake Gatewood (2-4) had the multi-hit games for the T-Rats in this one. Wisconsin Recap

So then why make a deal? If you aren't getting salary relief and aren't really getting anything that has any potential to make a difference, why make the trade? For the sake of doing something? I'll say straight up I don't care about salary relief at all, I'm interested in increasing the talent base, that's always been my focus. If that's not possible then I'd rather ride out Ramirez and Lohse through the end of the year then move on. It makes no sense to me to acquire pieces that are meaningless long-term, it never has.

Can someone explain to me why it is so unlikely that one of the post-Round 10 guys signs? It doesn't seem impossible that the Brewers could have enough slot money left over to offer one of those guys >$700k, which is the range for the highest post-10 bonuses under the new rules so is not unprecedented. Carlos Rodon allegedly asked for $700k to sign and the Brewers wouldn't give it to him. If (big if) they think any of these guys is worth that, I don't see why they couldn't make it work. Eye Black has covered it numerous times but given the total pool the Brewers started with they can offer one of those guys less than 400k before having to give up next year's 1st round draft pick. Given where the Brewers will likely be drafting next year, and given it's supposed to be a good draft year, I don't see grabbing a fringe 1st round pick this year to give up a top 10 pick next year. That's not good value from a talent perspective.

My comments regarding Harrison were about the numerous times the cameras have caught him ripping off his own jewelry in frustration, breaking his bat by slamming it on the ground on the way to 1st, repeatedly hitting himself in the head, and so on. He's simply been way too hard on himself, he's making it worse than it has to be. He's swinging through pitches because he's been pulling himself into the 3rd base dugout on the overwhelming majority of his swings, I doubt he can even see the ball all the way through his swing. There's no balance, he's not being quiet and hitting through the ball, in truth he's not doing hardly anything fundamentally correct enough to give himself a consistent chance to even make contact. He was better in April than he was in May, he's just been getting worse, and time off isn't helping. I have a hard time believing these are physical issues, they are mental issues that are manifesting themselves physically. If he puts it together he'll probably in the mid 20s for a SO%, but his current SO% is not indicative of his true talent, even at this stage of his career. He even had horrible stretch in the field where was falling down and misplaying balls, and that's not him either. I honestly believe Monte just needs to let go, relax, and let his talent shine through. He's way past pressing and trying too hard, he's at a level I haven't seen much, and I don't see much changing for him until he gets out of his own head. Coulter's 19 year old season was pretty much the same but with the added injury issues, at least Monte is healthy and hopefully he can come back with a different perspective in 2016 or find it down in Helena and start ascending. I've very happy Gatewood continues to play well as his time winds down in WI, I'd look for him to be much better in Helena than he was in AZ last year. He's hitting .294 over his last 10 and has put together perhaps the best stretch of his young career.

So Peralta, Cravy, Wagner, Fiers, Nelson, Jungmann, Thornburg, and Garza aren't "SOMEBODY"? We have plenty of mid to back of the rotation pitching talent already, as I said in my previous post why target more of the same? You could even throw names like Brooks Hall, Hobbs Johnson, and Jorge Lopez into the mix for spot starts next season. We also have plenty of additional relief options for 2016 in Ariel Pena, David Goforth, Damien Magnifico, and Austin Ross just off the top of my head. Johnny Hellweg just returned, hopefully the Brewers get smart and use him exclusively in relief as well. Will all those guys be worth something at MLB? I doubt more than 2 of them will be credible relievers, but that's really all the team needs.

/\ This. Do we really need another mid or back of the rotation piece back in a trade? I get the cost savings part, but cripes why not go after someone like Casey Meisner and hope that you can help him develop decent off speed stuff? Or Rob Whalen? What about a guy I'd really like to take a shot at in Michael Fulmer? Why does it have to be a MLB or MLB ready pitcher of the type we already have? Why add more of the same? I find the idea completely disheartening, and I to JB12's point I could care less about handedness in this case and I've been harping on LHP for years. I don't expect to get top 10 organizational talent for Ramirez at this stage of his career but at the same time why waste time acquiring a piece the Brewers don't really need? Unless we're trading someone with tremendous value shouldn't the idea be to peg players at AA or lower who will move up with our next wave of prospects? What good are more average to below average players going to do the big league roster in 2016?

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