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Casey, DISH was unable to reach an agreement with MLB this year. Therefore no Extra Innings and no MLB Network. Verizon might be getting a call today.

I'm not overreacting after two games. But it has been disapponting. Pretty mh single handedly blew the opener. I thnk he has giro four times already. Here's hoping Kottaras gets a start today.

I'd give the four to bush and the five to Narvason. I don't want two starters in the pen. I didn't want to start a new thread, but perhaps a trading partner can still be found for Suppan. MLB trade rumors references the Brewers inquiring on Chris Snyder and the 11M+ that he is owed. Maybe a Snyder for Suppan/Kottaras/a-baller type swap?

Apples to oranges. Lee threw at Snyder's head. He should be suspended. What?!?!?! Threw above an uprotected head as opposed to an unprotected spine? I don't understand that thinking at all. Certainly McIntosh Apples to Delicious Apples at worst.

All the points have been re-hashed, but I'll ask, "When is the last time an elite free agent pitcher signed a contract with the Milwaukee Brewers? The only reason I'd save the money would be for an elite pitcher. However, they don't sign in Milwaukee. Even trading Fielder doesn't guarantee that the crop of incoming A-ball pitchers from the trade would be better than our current A-ball pitchers, or better than the following draft's pitchers. And again, whoever noted that come July 2011, if the crew is in 1st/2nd place, you'll not be able to trade Fielder and risk him walking without anything in compensation besides a pick. I'd do everything in my power to sign Prince around $20M/year and encourage him to accept a deal that makes him a free agent again at age 32. If he won't, then you trade him in Jan of 2011 and try to get some major league talent in return, ala what Phil/Sea/Tor did with Halladay. "Re-stocking the minors" seems silly to me, as if your scouting dept is any good, you do that with your draft picks anyhow.

My ethics: You bought a ticket, you can boo whoever you want for whatever reason you want. I'm going to try this in the movie theatre tonight if I hate the movie my wife picks. I wonder how far that will get me.....heck, I paid for the ticket!

Congrats to Corey for sticking to his guns. Conversely, conservatives are experts at spending my money on war games. Precisely why I can't stand either one. I HIGHLY doubt a liberal agenda played into this ruling, and I know plenty of female conservatives. Turning to politics here seems like a huge stretch to me. Big Time Stretch! I think it was the JS that reported what the historical percentages are for players winning their cases. It is definitely in the clubs favor, and I think that DM has never lost an arby case, IIRC? There must have been some compelling arguments out there for Corey, despite what a majority on here think, which to be honest, seemed to be a due in large part because he was upset about fans booing. Here's hoping he has a great year, stays healthy, and we aren't even debating his Arby request next season.

tortures the crowd with country music before he bats. Ditto that.

Thank god you didn't say 110% percent. There's nothing that drives me more bonkers than somebody saying "give 110%"...as you can't give 110% http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

Hart deserves as much as he can get. The Brewers deserve to pay as little as they can for his services. If Hart is overestimating his worth (and it appears that he is), I have no emotional response to that. He rolled the dice and he has a good chance of losing. As a fan, I don't feel wronged. Very well said Russ. I wish I could have said that in so little words as you did, as that's my point.

subsidized Corey Harts salary with That's funny. Like the police officer whom shouldn't write you a ticket because you already pay his salary with your taxes? Where were you when Corey Hart was in little league, puting in extra hours on the diamond with his dad with the hopes of being a better ballplayer? Were you attending games at Greenwood High School when Corey was busting his rump in the weight room, taking extra infield with the hopes of getting drafted? Did you attend games at Ogden or High Desert and take part in subsidizing his salary then, when he was investing in himself for this type of payday? Were you around the house when Corey was doing the right things for his family, staying out of trouble, giving back to the communities in Wisconsin and Kentucky? The point being, Corey Hart has worked his entire childhood, teenage years, and young adult life with the prospect for someday getting a contract as big as the one he has an opportunity to do so today. Most of which, you weren't around to witness and subsidize. To tell him to pound sand and play for whatever he is offered simply because the last two years of such a journey have been below-average, and because he made a comment in response to your verbal boos, is pretty high and mighty. Again, I'm certain I purchase some product or service at which you contribute to society, but I wouldn't for one second walk into your job or post on a public forum what I thought about how you negotiate your salary, as it's none of my business, despite the fact that I may "subsidize" your job in some way. Shut up and play! He did play...likewise....shut up and watch. That could be said as well. He didn't outdo his pitching opponent at the plate, that happens. When you boo, which you've acknowledged you have a right to do, then he can reply however he pleases verbally, as you did. This conversation is really nauseating, and I'll read your reply, but I think we're going in circles and I have no new points. If his production was replaceable for less, the Brewers wouldn't have even offered him arbitration. So you are obviously wrong. +2

Are you insinuating the offer was not real or somehow made up by malcontent fans? Why say things like this I have not seen the offer, nor I have seen the offer in full in the newspaper or on electronic media. I vaguely recalling hearing about an offer being worked on, but I don't remember the details every being presented, nor do I recall if the offer was every made. Furthermore, if such an offer was made, I think it's immature and short-sighted to automatically speculate it was the bottome line at which Corey Hart or his agent were turning down. Perhaps they didn't like the number of years, didn't like the bonuses, didn't like the option years, or maybe, Corey has no interest in remaining in Milwaukee. Perhaps he wants to go to Cincinnati, closer to home, or somewhere else. but to think that fans are just going to stay out of his business (especially when he got in the fans' business during the 2007 collapse) is unrealistic. What business of the fans did he get into? Did he say you should pay more at the gate? Pay more for your popcorn? Only sit below the terrace level if you make more than 25k a year? What business do the fans have? They have a business to buy a ticket, sit in their assigned seat, and cheer. IIRC, Corey was upset about the fans booing Turnbow, Yost, Gagne, and other players who were trying their best and getting beat by the opponent trying their best. If that's the case...if fans open their mouths and boo, are players not allowed to open their mouths as well? I hate this belief that "fans" think they are entitled to something other than rooting for their team. Corey Hart is a human being, same as you and me. Puts his pants on the same way. If a fan can act out "negatively" and that's just ok, why can't a player? You can't possibly be upset about these negotiations today due to some comment made in 2007? At the end of the day, Corey needs to do what's best for Corey for 2010, as we are guaranteed no tomorrow. My ticket price remains the same, my popcorn price remains the same irregardless of what Corey makes....but additionally my love for Brewers baseball and rooting for Corey Hart is the same...irregardless of what his salary is, or what he had to go through to reach that agreement.

Well said Crew. However, I think that Corey is just doing what his agent tells him to do. I think the Brewers offer is very fair, but in the past, particularly when these kids are performing when they are young and not getting recognized in the paycheck for it, that gets under their skin a little bit. Corey wasn't the first to speak out, as Fielder and others have expressed great disdain for how the Brewers renewed their contracts in the past. Melvin has stated that he hasn't even spoken to Corey directly about this matter. I also haven't seen exactly what the Brewers offer was to know if they were close to meeting in the middle of arby submitted numbers. Either way, I'd never tell a guy not to maximize his earnings. You never know when your season will be your last to make significant money (Koskie). I've never been a sports agent, and if his agent feels they have a case to take to arbitration, then Corey should pursue every means in order to maximize his earnings. Perhaps, the agent is taking risk in a bigger fee or smaller fee and Corey has no risk? For these reasons, I think it's arrogant on the part of some fickle fans to whine over this matter and just demand that he take what the Brewers offer. He did you all a favor by not signing this "supposed long term offer" and it turned out to be the best decision for you, so why not just let him go about his business and then you can boo his performance on the field after 6 at-bats into the season, which I fully expect. Heck, he'll probably even be boo'd on opening day for missing time with appendix surgery.

Exactly, Corey keeps whining about how some fans don't like him and how he should make more money. Its all going to come down to him anyway. Put up numbers and get paid. Play like the last two years and fade. Its all up to Corey, not the Brewers or the fans or the media or.... And some fickle fans keep whining about what's Corey's business. I would never dream of writing on a public blog that I wished you'd take less money at your job. Now we can debate Corey's salary in terms of his performance and he's definitely not deserving of 3.9 million, but as previously stated, he was definitely worth more than the 444,000 the team gave him in 2008. I just don't agree with people coming on here and demanding Corey "settle at what the Brewers figure is and call it a day". Let Corey work out his business, that's what he hired an agent for afterall. Support him on the field when the season starts and leave it at that.

And yet the whinning continues......

Umm, no. Take the 30% raise to $4.2 (something like that) the Brewers offered you, then call it a day That's funny, I didn't see the Brewers bending over backwards to do Corey Hart any favors when they gave him a 444,000 salary in 2008 after hitting .293/.353 and driving in 80+ runs in 2007. That's the problem here. You want to nickel and dime a player when the system is convenient for you and then get upset when he nickel and dimes you in return. Which is exactly what he is doing. Management treated him a certain way in 2008 and likewise they get what's coming now, having to jump through hoops even if they do win in arbitration. He's taking a gamble that doesn't appear too bad if he loses. Fans need to stop taking these contract negotations so darn personally and just go out and root for the team/player irregardless of what he makes. Don't lose sleep at night at what paycheck Corey Hart gets twice a month.

I can't believe all this whining about Corey Hart and his salary. What do you people expect him to do? Go and sign a tender sheet for 750k and call it a day? He should get every nickel his agent thinks he can get from the system. What TLB is trying to say is the system and the Brewers didn't give a damn what kind of seasons him, JJ, Prince, etc were having a few years ago (06, 07) when they were puting up All-Star numbers and the Brewers were just renewing their contracts for 430K, etc. That's the system. I'd look back through the archives if I thought I'd find it, but I didn't see anyone vouching to give Corey or Prince more money then? It's ok for the "system" then, but now it's not?? Let's just let the "system" play out and worry about what Corey does or doesn't do on the field, but let's not try and pretend for one second that you'd wouldn't try to get an extra 600k out of your employer's system, when that same system didn't give a crap about your performance in the past.

Wasn't Kouzmanoff the one who had mental problems? Depression maybe or an inability to get excited about playing baseball?

Count me in with obsessed. The sooner Conan leaves NBC, the happier I'll be. I can't stand Letterman. Loved Jay Leno and still do. Thought it was dumb when NBC told him 2 years in advance that he was being forced to retire. Wasn't Leno winning the ratings in that time slot over Letterman? I like Craig Ferguson. Leno should go to FOX and stop giving NBC the time of day. Let NBC fail with Conan and let it go.

Who wants to undertake a small project to benefit charity? I'm looking for somebody with photoshop experience to create a website header for me. I have the basic images that I want, but I know nothing about layering and making things pretty. Compensation to be given in the form of team merchandise. PM me if you can help.

CV being Vargas or Villanueva?

Can somebody give a scouting report...pitch types, speeds, etc for this fellow?

I wouldnt offer to anybody

Hadn't seen a thread for 2009 Post-Season Predictions...so here goes. AL Central 1 Gamer: Twins over Tigers ALDS: Yankees over Twins in 3; Red Sox over Angels in 5 ALCS; Yankees over Red Sox in 7 (Jeter MVP) NLDS: Dodgers over Cardinals in 4; Phillies over Rockies in 5 NLCS: Dodgers over Phillies in 5 (Ethier MVP) World Series: Yankees over Dodgers in 5 (Sabathia MVP) Who do I want to win and why: Anaheim for Adenhart, his family, and that entire extended family.