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Okay. Axford gave up a run. Time to move Hoffman back to the closer's role imo. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

But at least the no hitter would still be intact.

3TO! 3TO! 3TO! Broken bat HR by Kottaras!

Somebody just created a Fake Jim Joyce twitter account. First tweet. "So does anyone have any dreams they want ruined?" Then twitter shut down the account.

Hockey does it right. Use the call on the ice and keep play going, then at the first stoppage of play they go to replay. If the call is reversed by replay, they go back to what it would have been at the time of the play in question.

McGehee is just incredibly slow. Lucky they got one there.

Yep, he started celebrating and then just a smile. I would have gone insane on that umpire, made sure I would've gotten ejected. Can I call Gomez Blowmez from now on?

Stop talking about the Brewers please. This thread is about the Tigers now. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

Tigers players going after Joyce after the game and Leyland getting into his face. Good.

BTW, how about that game. Carmona goes 8 innings and throws 96 pitches, Galarraga goes 9 and throws 88 pitches. Game completed in 1:44.

He was clearly out. Leyland went out and yelled at him, Cabrera was barking at him the whole time after the call even when the pitches were going on and the fans booed him nonstop until the end of the game.

Fans letting him have it and rightfully so.

Bang bang play at first ruled an infield single. Ouch. Wow. That's a horrible call. He was clearly out. Jim Joyce should be ashamed of himself. That wasn't even close.

Andres Galaraga is pitching according to Brian. Wow. Jackson with an over the shoulder the catch in deep left center to keep it intact. Willie Mays like.

Umm, at least it hit his left hand.

I thought it bounced watching it live and I thought it bounced watching the replay. Certainly close enough that you can't classify it as a bad call either way.

There's some of that great defense by McGehee and Fielder still sucks at picking throws.

One of the greatest players ever. Loved watching him play in his first stint with the Mariners.

If that were the case, he wouldn't bat Escobar 8th as much as he does.

2B Rickie Weeks LF Ryan Braun 1B Prince Fielder 3B Casey McGehee RF Corey Hart CF Carlos Gomez C George Kottaras RHP Yovani Gallardo SS Alcides Escobar So Kottaras is batting behind Gomez. Is Macha high or just incredibly stupid?

I cannot beleive anyone wants this team to pack it in this early. How early is it? We're basically 1/3 of the way through the season. To finish with 85 wins (which still wouldn't get us into the playoffs most likely) we would have to finish with a 64-46 record or a 94 win pace. Do you see this team winning at that pace for 2/3 of a season? I sure as hell don't. Why on Earth would anyone want to watch a bunch of crappy players going through the motions. Why does it have to be a bunch of crappy players? Why can't it be this? Outfield: Braun/Gomez/Cain (Edmonds and Hart traded) Infield: McGehee/Escobar/Weeks/??? if Fielder is traded Catcher: Kottaras/Lucroy Still a bunch of young guys. Maybe they're crappy to start, but so what? Let them start everyday in a season that doesn't matter win/loss wise and let them get their feet wet in the majors. Then you would still have Axford, Braddock, Villanueva, Coffey and maybe Estrada if you call them back up. Some young guys with little MLB experience getting their feet wet. Put Parra back in the rotation with Gallardo and Narveson. Hopefully Bush and Davis pitch better so you could possibly get something for them at the deadline. I doubt Wolf will be traded since we overpaid him and no one will take his contract. And I didn't even bring up Capuano until now. He definitely wouldn't be going through the motions even if he was crappy. So you could watch Braun, Gomez, Cain, McGehee, Escobar, Weeks, Kottaras, Lucroy, Axford, Braddock, Villanueva, Estrada, Gallardo, Parra, Capuano and Narveson everyday. That's 16 of the 25 that would be excited to watch and wouldn't just be "crappy players going through the motions." They would know they have to impress to stay on the roster. If anyone doesn't have a problem with that needs to check their sanity. What? I'd rather watch a bunch of young guys and lose 100 games than fight tooth and nail with a bunch of veterans for that ever elusive 81st win, which we won't get close to. I have no desire to watch a bunch of veterans try to win as many games as possible but still suck. The difference between 81 wins and 61 is the difference of 20 days where I feel a little better and the sun shines a little brighter even though I know it's only temporary. So you feel a little better temporarily for 20 days. In the end you still have the same result. No playoffs for your favorite team. I'd be more interested in watching young guys play in the majors than winning 20 more games with vets who are on the decline. It's also the difference between a team close to contention and one that needs to start over and is five years away. So last year, we won 80 games and were close to contention. We go and supposedly improve our pitching staff in the offseason, so why aren't we contenders now? And no, it doesn't have to take five years either. All of whilom depends on how it's handled now. I just don't see how quitting as a team teaches the right way to handle tough situations. IT'S NOT QUITTING! Quitting means packing it in and not trying. Trading Prince or Hart doesn't mean you're quitting. It means that you realize it's extremely unlikely that you're going to win anything this year and also that it's extremely unlikely that Prince signs an extension and extremely unlikely that Hart is part of the long term future of this franchise. So you trade them now for guys who can help in the future while telling the guys that are still on the team we want you to go out and still try hard and try your best to win games. They may not win, but like I said, I'd much rather watch a bunch of young guys lose than a bunch of veterans.

It's not just that we have a losing record, it's that we have the 6th worst record in baseball. If we want to make the playoffs, we have to pass every team except the D'Backs and Astros. The last time a team came back from 10 under in June to make the playoffs was the 2005 Astros, but they were missing Berkman for the entire month of April and they also had Clemens, Petitte and Oswalt at the top of their rotation. Three pitchers that finished the season with ERAs under 3 (Clemens finished under 2). We're going to have one pitcher do that and he's not as good as those guys because Gallardo is barely averaging over 6 innings a start while they were all over 6.5 and pushing 7. We have 37 games left until the all-star break, 60% of those games are against teams over .500. I have absolutely no problem with them giving up now. In fact I'd prefer it.

A couple more things. 20 scoreless innings by Hoffman would lower his ERA to a still below replacement level 5.35. He's currently striking out 5.29 per 9 innings. That would be the lowest of his career. His next lowest is 6.91. He's also walking 5.29 per 9 innings. That is the worst in his career. The highest BB/9 in his career is 3.90 which came in his rookie season. He's given up 7 homers. His career high is 10 and he's given up less than 7 homers in 11 seasons.

1. I'd take my chances with Bush. 2. I'd push our starters as far as they can go (assuming it isn't a crazy pitch count like 120 or 130 and even 115 is pushing it) to save the bullpen. Bush was at 86 pitches. Even if he gives up a couple of runs, he would probably get through 7 innings at around 110 pitches and the bullpen would only need to cover an inning or two.

He also got another out on a sac bunt. Hard hit balls, more balls than strikes. He's just done.