2011-07-23 Brewers (Wolf) at Giants (Vogelsong) - [Brewers lose, 4-2]

[bucksman4]

Bill: "Walks will score often than hits"

 

That would be a very interesting tidbit of information if you didn't just completely make it up. Hell common sense tells you that it's just nonsense. But hey, he's the expert.

"I understand what Bill is saying with walks scoring more than hits"

Please clue me in then because I have no idea.

This is one of those "it seems like a lead-off walk always comes back to bite a pitcher" type of thoughts and it seems to Bill that a walk somehow psychologically alters a pitcher's mind moreso than a base hit.

According to your quote, he never mentioned "lead-off" (unless it was implied) but maybe I'm really fishing for something to help me understand his twisted logic.

[razzzorsharp]

So now Kotsay is the CF for the rest of the game?

[bucksman4]

So now Kotsay is the CF for the rest of the game?

What did I miss? Why was Morgan pinch hit for by Kotsay?

[endaround]

Got to bring in that "superior" Kotsay bat here so he can play the field while leaving McGehee and Betancourt to face Wilson.

[rluzinski]

Well, at at least we are pretty close to not having to hear how "hot" Kotsay has been in July.

[endaround]

So now Kotsay is the CF for the rest of the game?

What did I miss? Why was Morgan pinch hit for by Kotsay?

Morgan was lifted for Carroll to face Affeldt. Bochy took out Affeldt and then Roenicke removed Carroll.

[FoxyFoxes]

Apparently our manager of the year here just blew through his bench and got owned while a few of us were trying to understand what Rock was talking about. We've been snuck up on by Ronny.

[bucksman4]

Counsell is due to be the "hot" player in August. Heck, 2 hits in his first 20 AB's of the month would be sizzling for him.

[strawbossisevil]

Bill: "Walks will score often than hits"

 

That would be a very interesting tidbit of information if you didn't just completely make it up. Hell common sense tells you that it's just nonsense. But hey, he's the expert.

"I understand what Bill is saying with walks scoring more than hits"

Please clue me in then because I have no idea.

Just spitballing a reason why someone might suggest that. A walk usually happens when a pitcher´s control is not as fine tuned as it should be. Therefore...a pitcher who begins an inning with a walk is potentially more likely to miss his locations to the hitter in ways that could lead to more runs.

I don´t actually believe that to be the case...but it might be the reasoning that is being followed by Bill. I would be curious, over the history of the game, if there is any quantifiable difference in the percentage of time a single to lead off an inning scores, and a walk to lead an inning scores. In order to make it mean anything, I would add that we should solely focus on situations where the same pitcher who gave up the walk/single to begin the inning is the one who pitching when either the third out is made or the runner on first scores.

 

[topper09er]

Bull, as Rock said that is a ball all night

[natronek8780]

Now he calls that a strike? That hasn't been a strike all night!

[pebadger]

Nice zone. Nice.

[jason21nl]

Ugh, that was a ball

[endaround]

Bill its not too close to take, its too close to swing

[topper09er]

Prince is going to look horrible against the lefty here.

[bucksman4]

It's depressing to look ahead to who we have coming up next inning vs. Wilson. Just throw in the towel now.

[topper09er]

Bill its not too close to take, its too close to swing

Gameday had in on the corner for a strike

[natronek8780]

Must be nice to have 2 above average LHP in your bullpen.

[jason21nl]

The way Prince has been swinging he had no shot in that AB

[pebadger]

Yep. Give the guy a couple days off.

[bucksman4]

Prince, you look sick. Take some medication and a seat on the bench for a game or two.

3 for his last 27. Bad.

[endaround]

Bill its not too close to take, its too close to swing

Gameday had in on the corner for a strike

Fox had it 2 inches outside. The point is if its a 50/50 call between a walk and a K that's better odds than putting the ball in play.

[strawbossisevil]

Bill its not too close to take, its too close to swing

Gameday had in on the corner for a strike

Right, but if you've been watching the game. That hasn't been called a strike all night. In fact, the Giants pitching coach was tossed for arguing over a called ball that was even closer to the strike zone than that last one to Braun.

[topper09er]

McGehee at 1st, Wilson at 3rd and Carroll in CF tomorrow.

 

Ill guess Hart, Wilson, Braun, McGehee, Weeks, Betancourt, Lucroy Carroll

[topper09er]

Bill its not too close to take, its too close to swing

Gameday had in on the corner for a strike

Right, but if you've been watching the game. That hasn't been called a strike all night. In fact, the Giants pitching coach was tossed for arguing over a called ball that was even closer to the strike zone than that last one to Braun.

I know, but it was infact too close to take since it was a strike