The Milwaukee Brewers' Matt Arnold Era is Already Glorious

I agree Brock, if the teams offense can stay hot and sustain a .265-.270 batting average I think we'll be fine with our great pitching staff. 

I would say it has been a good start, team playing well in weak division. We have taking advantage of.

pitching is the strength, but no offense, and the production that Santana and Canha have provided has been good, but not overwhelming.  Compared to 2021-2022 trade deadline deals where the trades were abysmal (outside of Escobar), getting 2 wins and one loss is an improvement.

let’s see why he can do in the offseason. Woodruff and Burnes - will he deal them or sign them to deals?

and what offensive upgrades in the offseason?

can he rebuild the bullpen.

the draft was a big moment, that was a huge shot in the prospect pipeline arm.

I am still very hopeful, but not ready to anoint the Arnold era yet.

Pretty big misses on Voit, Anderson and Winker

3 hours ago, biedergb said:

I would say it has been a good start, team playing well in weak division. We have taking advantage of.

can he rebuild the bullpen.

the draft was a big moment, that was a huge shot in the prospect pipeline arm.

 

I am still very hopeful, but not ready to anoint the Arnold era yet.

What do you think needs to be rebuilt?

Uribe-6 years of team control
Payamps-3 more years
Peguero-6 years
Milner-2 years
Megill-5 years(maybe 4)
Vieira-6 years
Wilson-3 years

So if you just play it out, you've got Milner and Devin Williams who ONLY have 2 more years of team control left.

And the Brewers find elite relievers like my dog finds things to smell. Just open the door and there are 5 relievers falling into their lap(obviously they have to go out and find them, but they're just fine).

3 hours ago, biedergb said:

let’s see why he can do in the offseason. Woodruff and Burnes - will he deal them or sign them to deals?

He will not sign 'them.' He MIGHT could sign Woodruff and that's a stretch IMO. Burnes is gone. Unless Paul Mendard buys the team and Burnes continues to throw well, he'll pitch elsewhere come '25 and I'd guess by '24.
Appreciate watching him in a Brewers uniform. 

IF he'll trade him, that's gonna be an interesting debate.

If you could get a pitcher like 2023 Aaron Ashby for him. Someone who has elite stuff, but some warts. But when they're on, they're throwing 99MPH sinkers and they've got secondary pitches that give them the upside of an ace, but of course there's always the risk they could become 2024 Aaron Ashby's. Would you take that or a couple of them or just go through the season?

I doubt the Front Office has an answer and I'd bet Attanasio wants to keep both of them. And another really good point that was made by someone else, but if the Brewers make 3 Qualifying offers in 2024, in the 2025 draft, they'd have their own pick, they'd also have a competitive balance pick after the 1st round. That'd be 5 picks in the top ~40 that also give them a huge bonus pool. So MAYBE in retrospect, all the "the Brewers can't afford to let players like that go for a draft pick," is an idea we should be re-thinking. 

4 hours ago, biedergb said:

and what offensive upgrades in the offseason?

4 hours ago, biedergb said:

the draft was a big moment, that was a huge shot in the prospect pipeline arm.

Assuming that they keep Woodruff and Burnes, you're REALLY unlikely to add much offense. The offense will most likely come from within. A full year of Frelick, Turang, Mitchell, Wiemer, then Black, Chourio maybe Quero, Wilken is in AA already, but that's a lot of potential upgrades from within.

In a perfect world, Burnes/Woody would have been about 2 years younger so there was more of a crossover, but there's not. That's why I'd like to see them trade them. See how the season plays out. If Philly has a bad post-season, they'd be an obvious team and they have 3 big time power arms in AA. I'd want Painter and I've already said I'd even include Devin Williams in a trade to pry away a pitcher like him, even considering the fact he's coming off TJ(better right before they hit the big leagues than during service time IMO). 

So I can see both sides. And it'll also depend on how the Brewers post-season goes, but generally, I'd prefer to make a trade in which we get back an elite pitching prospect and then maybe 2-3 lower rated prospects. Guys who are in LowA or whatever, but have one or two nice tools.

4 hours ago, biedergb said:

the draft was a big moment, that was a huge shot in the prospect pipeline arm.

 

I am still very hopeful, but not ready to anoint the Arnold era yet.

It's going to be really hard for Arnold to distinguish himself. I know I personally view it as David Stearns ear even now. This is a team Stearns built. The farm system, Stearns. The pitching, Stearns built the infrastructure, the player development, analytics, all Stearns.

The draft was just objectively a huge success just a few months later. Our 1st rd pick in AA hitting well. 2nd rd pick has hit well. A high upside prep arm in AZ working, and then just so much young talent in Knoth, Letson, Chambers on the mount and Bitonti and Pratt who could have both went in Rd2 of an extremely deep draft and it wouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.

So I'm certainly not anointing him. He has done an outstanding job of building off what he was given. Wade Miley, Contreras, Payamps, Peguero, Canha, Santana, Wilson, Rea, Teheran, Monasterio, trading Urias seems like it was a good decision, but hese are moves around the peripheral. Not the changes to the core he'll have to face one way or another.

The real test will come when we see what he does with one of the top farm systems in Baseball and how he transitions from Burnes/Woodruff period to the Chourio, Quero, Frelick, Quero, Gasser, Wilken periods.

Even then, until we see any aggressive moves, trading away or trading for talent, it'll still be viewed as Stearns team.

13 hours ago, ecjimg said:

Pretty big misses on Voit, Anderson and Winker

First of all Voit had 68 at bats and your talking like we had him like Keston Heuria for 4 years.

Brian Anderson 1 year so far also.

Crew acquires Winker & Toro from Seattle for Kolten Wong.

A turd for a turd is just taking a chance on someone, sometimes new scenery can even make a player better. 

20 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

What do you think needs to be rebuilt?

Uribe-6 years of team control
Payamps-3 more years
Peguero-6 years
Milner-2 years
Megill-5 years(maybe 4)
Vieira-6 years
Wilson-3 years

So if you just play it out, you've got Milner and Devin Williams who ONLY have 2 more years of team control left.

And the Brewers find elite relievers like my dog finds things to smell. Just open the door and there are 5 relievers falling into their lap(obviously they have to go out and find them, but they're just fine).

He will not sign 'them.' He MIGHT could sign Woodruff and that's a stretch IMO. Burnes is gone. Unless Paul Mendard buys the team and Burnes continues to throw well, he'll pitch elsewhere come '25 and I'd guess by '24.
Appreciate watching him in a Brewers uniform. 

IF he'll trade him, that's gonna be an interesting debate.

If you could get a pitcher like 2023 Aaron Ashby for him. Someone who has elite stuff, but some warts. But when they're on, they're throwing 99MPH sinkers and they've got secondary pitches that give them the upside of an ace, but of course there's always the risk they could become 2024 Aaron Ashby's. Would you take that or a couple of them or just go through the season?

I doubt the Front Office has an answer and I'd bet Attanasio wants to keep both of them. And another really good point that was made by someone else, but if the Brewers make 3 Qualifying offers in 2024, in the 2025 draft, they'd have their own pick, they'd also have a competitive balance pick after the 1st round. That'd be 5 picks in the top ~40 that also give them a huge bonus pool. So MAYBE in retrospect, all the "the Brewers can't afford to let players like that go for a draft pick," is an idea we should be re-thinking. 

 

Assuming that they keep Woodruff and Burnes, you're REALLY unlikely to add much offense. The offense will most likely come from within. A full year of Frelick, Turang, Mitchell, Wiemer, then Black, Chourio maybe Quero, Wilken is in AA already, but that's a lot of potential upgrades from within.

In a perfect world, Burnes/Woody would have been about 2 years younger so there was more of a crossover, but there's not. That's why I'd like to see them trade them. See how the season plays out. If Philly has a bad post-season, they'd be an obvious team and they have 3 big time power arms in AA. I'd want Painter and I've already said I'd even include Devin Williams in a trade to pry away a pitcher like him, even considering the fact he's coming off TJ(better right before they hit the big leagues than during service time IMO). 

So I can see both sides. And it'll also depend on how the Brewers post-season goes, but generally, I'd prefer to make a trade in which we get back an elite pitching prospect and then maybe 2-3 lower rated prospects. Guys who are in LowA or whatever, but have one or two nice tools.

 

It's going to be really hard for Arnold to distinguish himself. I know I personally view it as David Stearns ear even now. This is a team Stearns built. The farm system, Stearns. The pitching, Stearns built the infrastructure, the player development, analytics, all Stearns.

The draft was just objectively a huge success just a few months later. Our 1st rd pick in AA hitting well. 2nd rd pick has hit well. A high upside prep arm in AZ working, and then just so much young talent in Knoth, Letson, Chambers on the mount and Bitonti and Pratt who could have both went in Rd2 of an extremely deep draft and it wouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.

 

So I'm certainly not anointing him. He has done an outstanding job of building off what he was given. Wade Miley, Contreras, Payamps, Peguero, Canha, Santana, Wilson, Rea, Teheran, Monasterio, trading Urias seems like it was a good decision, but hese are moves around the peripheral. Not the changes to the core he'll have to face one way or another.

 

The real test will come when we see what he does with one of the top farm systems in Baseball and how he transitions from Burnes/Woodruff period to the Chourio, Quero, Frelick, Quero, Gasser, Wilken periods.

Even then, until we see any aggressive moves, trading away or trading for talent, it'll still be viewed as Stearns team.

Sir, you are very knowledgable. And I thought I knew my sports...lol

On 9/17/2023 at 4:40 PM, biedergb said:

I would say it has been a good start, team playing well in weak division. We have taking advantage of.

This is just wrong. NLC has the third best record in the majors, behind the two East divisions. The Brewers went 28-18 in Inter league play. They had a winning record against the NL East (17-12). There are two teams in the wild card race from the division. It’s not a weak division. Give the Brewers some credit.