BrewerFan

I don't really think the Dodgers 2022-2024 home grown pitchers say much about the Brewers. We did just fine with Burnes, Peralta, Hader, Woodruff, Williams. I think we're a lot more careful with our young arms. Woody didn't have an issue until his service time was up. Any of them could have TJ at any time, but that's not unique to any team. I just think the Dodgers had abnormally bad luck... and also didn't need some of those guys. Ryan Pepiot or River Ryan. They're not exactly waiting with baited breath for those guys to come back. They're fine just trading them and letting someone else wait on them because... they don't need them. They also don't mind signing guys with injury concerns because they only need them healthy for a few months.

Ok, but that's not really similar to the Dodgers rotations and or pitchers that have kinda fallen by the wayside. You had guys who were in the top 5 in Cy Young voting, Buheler was throwing in the upper 90s and looked like their next ace putting up a 7+WAR season Urias, he had a 21-3 season with a 2.12 ERA. Gonsolin was 16-1 with a 2.14 ERA Bobby Miller was a top 20 prospect who could hit 100 and had a VERY good year as a rookie going 11-4 with a 3.74 ERA Brusdar Graterol threw ~70 IP at a 1.20 ERA as a SU man in '23 I think you could go on, there were a number of other arms they had who were top 20-30 pitching prospects. I don't think DL Hall or Gasser who threw in the low 90s are... particularly comparable to those arms. Dustin May coming up was averaging 98 MPH on his FB and was in the ~88th or higher percentile in Ground Balls. It's obviously difficult to have sustained success, but the Dodgers weren't doing it with smoke and mirrors, they had a stable of home grown flame throwers who all had great starts and then just kinda... petered out... and the fact that the Brewers have completely turned over their staff since 2024... that speaks to the Brewers ability to find arms(even while losing Priester and Woodruff this year) but with regard to the Dodgers, it speaks to their ability to spend their way out of it. Glasnow, Ohtani, Snell, Yamamoto... they signed Tanner Scott and Edwin Diaz. It's not really an argument, it's just an observation(though, the argument would be the Brewers do more with less and are... incredibly well run... even though I do not think we should have traded Frias).

Yeah, you tend to see the rich get richer at the deadline, but there's been less trading in the past few years than ever before, the extra wild card and then the exclusion of the Waiver wire trades, it's become even more pronounced, but I think a better question would be do the teams that are in the post-season or within 3 games of the WC play better in the 2nd half. Find some cut-off where you judge teams are still competing and trying to make the playoffs and use that as a starting point(that's way too much effort for me though). I don't think that's consistently the case, but I'm not positive. Good teams are good so they win a lot, but I DO think you'd find the Brewers have been particularly good the 2nd half of the year. It was even more pronounced under Counsell. Some of that may have been because they started out poorly, but we had some incredible runs in Sept. For this team in this particular year, it'll be nice to have some off-days. This team is beat up and not playing well... and still winning. I also wonder if having a younger team helps you play better as the season goes on. We've seen Yelich struggle with more playing time.... presumably the nagging injuries get him. I wonder if there's a correlation with age?

He's a 31-year-old journeyman who has a 1.5 Career WAR and 2.8 WAR this year. I think there's a pretty good chance he takes the 23M guaranteed next year and plays it out. And then you're left... hoping that he can replicate this year. I've been a big fan of Bauers even in his more limited role. As a very good defensive 1B, a guy who can draw walks and has some power before this year, but I think you just take this year, thank him and let him go on his way. I'm already seeing how Carlos Rodriguez is a option to replace Trevor Megill next year and how Ashby is too expensive at 7.7M. We have 1B options. I'd rather not bet 23M that Bauers can perform like this again. I also don't think he'd get a 50M deal from someone else. I think the top end would be 3/48 or so. 16M a year for 3 years? That seems like a very healthy deal. So I don't even know if you'd accomplish what you wanted via the QO and the compensation, but I know the risk. And that 23M... you could put that toward Made. Give the kid a big signing bonus to entice a long term deal. That should be our #1 priority.

Having players who play the same position is technically a "replacement." They're terrible options in many cases... like Bo Naylor, Matthew Wood and Damien Miller for William Contreras. Quero is a downgrade, but at least there's SOME hope there. His arm strength has mostly come back. His accuracy has not so... you could hope he continues to progress, but... Matthew Wood and Damien Miller... they've thrown out like 8 of 64 and 26 of 124 runners this year. That's going to be just an absolute disaster next year. Right. So he's not really a replacement since they're BOTH on the MLB roster. I'm ABSOLUTELY going to forget Carlos Rodriguez when talking about an All-Star closer. The Brewers are more likely to DFA Carlos Rodriguez than count him among the replacements for Trevor Megill. Wagoner didn't throw for 3 years and here, again, sure. He COULD be a replacement for Megill. A much-much worse one(though he's the one guy who... maybe steps up). You have a whole pen of guys though. And you have injuries. You're using Uribe as an example and... that's a great example. Uribe is out with a forearm. Maybe he's fine this year. It looks like he avoided a big injury, but just listing our AA/AAA pitchers does NOT make for adequate replacements. I mean, we have Eric Brown Jr, so we have a "replacement" for Turang by your definition. You can't just take established MLB talent and say we have players at their position. The farm system doesn't need a "recharge." It's fully charged. Let it develop and let the players FORCE their way in. Jett Williams has not done that. Jefferson Quero has not done that. Matthew Wood and Damien Miller damn sure have not done that. Braylon Payne was just in HiA. Fischer and Adams are very unlikely to play 3B at the MLB level(at least not as primary options, maybe in the way we've played Vaughn there out of necessity because we're short handed). What is the point here? Again, you're upgrading on the margins of the farm system by subtracting from the big league team. That doesn't make sense.

Kinda wild how young he still is and how that stable of young arms the Dodgers once had kinda fell apart(though they just went out and signed 4-5 aces). The Dodgers ~4-5 years ago had a stable of young overpowering arms on a 111 win team and most of them just liming along now(May is back, but it's been a while). Walker Buehler, he was dominant and looked like their next ace. Throwing upper 90s, great command. Urias... for obvious reasons, but just from a roster building standpoint, a 21-3 year, ERA over 2.16 May was a top 10-20 prospect Gonsolin, Bobby Miller... all pitchers who looked like TOR. Gavin Stone is another... I'm sure I'm forgetting others.

Probably a year too late to get the best deal from the Rockies. They actually hired competent people to run the team. Goodman would cost a LOT and I don't see the Rockies having any interest in Contreras... except to flip him. Turang... I guess he could be traded in a year. #1 priority is getting made to sign an extension. 10 years 180M, 10/`160. 8/130+2 TOs at 30M. Whatever it is, they have to lock him up.

7.7M for most teams is... a perfectly reasonable price for a reliever who can get strikeouts and ground balls. I don't think you'd have a problem dealing Ashby whatsoever and I hope we don't. We don't have a replacement for him.

Yeah... send him down to AZ and the lab. Then bring him straight back(meaning... you don't need to send him to AAA}) and having him work with Hook or Henderson or whomever. But get him straightened out. Drohan can go back into the rotation. I think 2 innings out of him in a game like yesterday is a bit of a waste. He's been really solid as a starter this year. I'd also like to see Cameron Wagoner brought up, but that's a separate issue.

????? You realize Nashville is AAA, right? Why would they be 2 years, a "minimum" of two years away when they're already in Nashville? One you hit AA, you could be called up, but certainly AAA, you're right on the door step. Barring an injury like Quero had, if you're spending 2-years in AAA, your value as a prospect is going to be... declining significantly... Fischer it'd be he continues to strike out 35% of the time and can't continue to hit for power. Burke it would be... I'm not really sure. Needs to get in better shape so he can field his position. That's probably a bigger concern with him at this point as he doesn't look to be taking care of himself like a MLB player should. His diet to be specific. But he's hitting. 2 years? You could have guys who are currently in Low A who are up in 2 years.

Should the Brewers trade some of their best players simply because they have depth and some of those players make AS MUCH as 7.5M so they can... ....seriously? They have the top farm system in Baseball. And they actually ended up taking on MORE money at a time their farm system was NOT one of the best in Baseball. Not really a similar situation other than... they're both relievers. I've not seen anyone suggest a floor as low as 150, but... if you're arguing that's the case, it makes dealing Ashby to save 7.5M contradictory to the point you're now making. So... going from this thread we needed to trade; Contreras Megill Ashby Vaughn Frelick Mitchell Ortiz That's a Starting Catcher, 1B(part time, but one of our best hitters)}, our starting RFer most of the year, CFer, an IFer from the left side... Two of our best power arms in the pen... and I'm sure I forgot some guys. And the point of this is to "recharge" the top farm system in Baseball? To maybe upgrade the farm system on the margins while downgrading the MLB team, quite literally the exact opposite of what you should be doing? That's... one way to go about trying to win I suppose.

He had gone 6 for 11 in the previous 4 games. That got his SLG barely over .300 and his OPS up to like .680. He was playing fine, but I'd rather keep going with the most talented player at this point in the year. Frelick had a more prolonged hot streak. I think you need to get him going. We're a much better team when he's grinding out good ABs.

I'm not really down on Turner, I think he's a good big man who can shoot, but I don't think he's one of the 3 best players on a contender and he's too old to really be in our timeline. I'm also more than happy to deal for players. If you get a couple picks out of Turner, maybe you flip one fore Watson(a player I'd be very aggressively going after, but not giving up an additional 1st for). And sure, take on all the salary you can... for this year and next. You have a lot of players who could demand 20M+ to re-sign... Ware is one. I like him a lot and I think if you give him more Playing Time, he could be worth it. Herro is the bigger question. I think he's worth multiple 1sts and I'd sooner re-sign him than let him walk... but that's also before I've seen this team play together, so that could change. What I think many teams know is the value he brings. I don't know what a team like the Lakers would offer or... Boston, but I think he's a valuable trade piece. To build around Rollins, Burries, Peyton Watson, Ke'el Ware would be a very nice starting point with some very interesting depth, assuming you get Watson for Jaime Jaquez Jr(without a 1st attached).... which would be a good value, though I'd be fine keeping Jaquez Jr as well as I think his Basketball IQ and play making is very high... but mostly, just a much better start to the rebuild than I anticipated. Taylor Jenkins and hopefully Horst is more effective without having to try and take those big swings he had to when he was trying to add a star next to Giannis.

Burries is definitely a player to build around. I don't think he's a Day 1 Starter. They're waaay too deep at the 1-3 IMO, to start him. But he'll get plenty of playing time and he may be one of the first 2 players off the bench. The more I sit with this trade, the most excited I am about it and the depth we now have. Need to be smart with who they trade, but if they can get Watson from Denver? I love the breakdown of this roster(for it's 1st year post-Giannis, not quite as a "we can win a playoff series" obviously). Backcourt Ryan Rollins is 24 and looks like a REALLY good two way player. Herro-Not a huge fan, but he's a very good SG. I'd prefer to flip this for future firsts. KPJ-He's gotta prove he can make other players better, but just on TALENT... he's elite. That hasn't meant much thus far. Burries-This is exactly the type of OG we needed when Giannis was here. A Desmond Bane type or a better version of Brogdon who can defend multiple positions, run the offense and shoot the ball at a high level. AJ Green-Great shooter. Kasparas Jakucionis- Big PG who can shoot the ball and is just 19-years-old. Gary Trent Jr-.... no lipstick for this pig. They had to pay him... obviously. Caris Lavert-?? An expiring contract. A guy who'd have gotten PT the last couple years. Cormac Ryan-I think he had a couple nice games last year when nobody cared. Maybe I'm wrong... we'll see. SF-If they can actually get Peyton Watson, that'd be HUGE. A guy who can defend at an ELITE level and is still developing as a scorer? -JaimeJaquez Jr-- 15/5/5 and just a really smart player. Probably the guy they'd have to trade to get Watson, but if they just go with him, a really nice player who does everything well. 6MOY runner up last year. Not much else here. -Deign has a ton of upside... that's obvious. Taylor Jenkins is a much more likely coach to get something out of him. -Ament is a... who knows what he is. He's got a great athletic profile, great size, was projected to go much higher but was wildly inconsistent during the College season. Probably going to take him 2-3 years to develop... which is fine. -Kuzma- He's not terrible, but he's just terrible to watch. I dislike the guy. Can't help it. -Pete Nance- Might be able to work his way into the rotation with his energy and athleticism. Probably not, but maybe. Big Men- -Kel'el Ware- Ware looks like the EXACT type of player you could have used next to Giannis(in fact the whole roster looks perfect... if... you had Giannis). But the dude is a 7 footer who can shoot it, step out and defend a bit. Turner-Need to try and deal him, but wait until someone is desperate for a stretch big who can protect the rim... and hope he's better than he was last year. -Sims-I love Sims. I mean, he's not much more than a defender, rebounder, lob threat, but he's athletic and plays hard and in Jenkins defense I could see him playing a bigger role. -I think this is a team that COULD win 40 games. This is just so much better than last years team and given where they were a year ago, the age and depth of this roster, one that played without Giannis for most of the year, they should at least be more exciting this year. If they can manage to get a 1st out of Turner(probably involves taking back a bad contract)... that'd be nice. Kuzma will be gone next year. Peyton Watson would be another potential young star on this team(and by "star" I mean a really good but not quite All-Star type player at this point, though he could get there).

This is definitely true. And I'm not a Favre fan at this point myself, but... people group Favre and Reggie together, but if you believe Reggie, he came right out and said it was playing with Favre after witnessing his toughness that helped him make his decision. That on top of God telling him to and the Packers making the largest financial commitment by quite a bit, but Favre was the guy who brought some life back. You could also give it to Wolf, but I'll go Rodgers. Aaron is the most legendary of the entire group. I actually think people are really underestimating how good the Bucks will be this year(which doesn't mean they'll be "good" but better than people are projecting). This is a deep roster with a LOT of talented young players. I also disagree there wasn't/isn't interest outside of Milwaukee. Sure, the Packers are #1 in the State, the Brewers #2, but the Bucks are still pretty damn popular. But fans lose interest in even the most popular teams when they suck. I'm exciting about watching that team play though. Sooo much more youth and depth and basically everything you lacked last year. Burries looks like a guy who's going to be really good. Not a "star," but really good. Herro, Turner, Kuzma and... Gary Trent Jr are all players who may be traded(I hope Trent Jr comes out and has a few of those monster 30 point games early and somehow builds up... SOME value). But we got 4 guys who are really good young players, 3 of whom are under 22 for Giannis(4 if you include Ament thus far) and then a very good SG. A young, long team that's got assets again. I'm excited. Wisconsin loves their teams... so sure, they're #3, but I don't agree people outside the Milwaukee area "don't give a crap" about the Bucks.