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Yes, obviously the longer they have to cover, the worse they get, but the Packers had a good pass rush in 2023 and 2024 ranking 7th and 11th in pressure rate respectively and their CBs were... still not good. They were forced into playing zone as they came out and said. They went from having Jaire as their #1 CB, Nixon in the slot and Stokes.. hoping he'd bounce back to asking Nixon to play outside, Jaire gone and Stokes never recovered from his injury(at least until last year where he was an elite cover corner while we got Hobbs who was a bad fit from the time they signed him). The "biggest hole," has clearly been the Special Teams the last 3 years, but CB has been the 2nd worst group since Jaire went down. I do agree you can get by with great Safeties and a front 5 that has Micah Parsons. We saw that last year. You can also get by by protecting them and playing zone and coming up and tackling well. Guys like Micah Parons completely change your defense. I am a bit jealous of the Rams who went out and fixed their CB room with two lite CBs. One of the best in the NFL and then another VERY good CB. Nixon is a good value yet, Vaentine is a good depth guy who can maybe become more. But I'm hoping we seee more out of the newcomers. As for their grades; I don't think Nixon has graded out as a top 20-30 CB ever unless maybe you go by his run defense or something. Valentine two years ago was the highest either of them have graded out... as least per PFF. Nixon- 2023 54.5 Coverage grade(worst on the team). 2024-60.7 coverage(64.5 overall, 88 of 222 CBs). 2025-66.4 coverage 41st of 114 Valentine-2023-65.5 coverage grade(pretty limited snaps) 2024-70.3 2025-65.7 44th of 222 CBs

That's probably been run even worse than the Angels, but they at least look like they hired the right POBO and GM to turn things around.

I think Kohl at least let the Basketball people run the Basketball side of things(which is why I actually blame Karl for blowing that team up). I believe with Ohtani, the Baseball people wanted to trade him and Arte was the one who vetoed. Though, I'd push back on the "no chance," when they were... just 3 games out and 4-5 games over .500. Still, passed on Junior Caminero, Carson Williams plus. Not just that, but the prospects they traded FOR players. And then they immediately lost 7 straight games following the deadline and Ohtani tore his UCL and needed another TJ. I can understand not wanting to let him go, but not matching the offer at the end. And then, on top of that, they went back to Arte, who I would at least understand his logic if his whole goal was to retain Ohtani, he wouldn't match the Dodgers offer. Ohtani is the type of guy even the Brewers should have tried to sign. I don't imagine we get an additional 200M in sponsorships, but I would think they'd skyrocket+ our TV deals and the contract would still end up paying for itself(as opposed to Soto or... pretty much any other player ever). Back to Detmers now, It doesn't matter much. I suggested Detmers and I did so at the time because he had good underlying metrics and was not throwing as well. ERA was over 4.40 IIRC. It was immediately before the 8IP 14K outing. They're holding both of those guys now. Soriano and Detmers... even if it's not the smart play and getting 5-6 top 100 prospects and giving up the team control that comes with those two would be the smarter way to go in order to rebuild.

Well, if Arte is the Herb Kohl of MLB, then... we just need to find a player in the last year of his contract who explicitly says he doesn't want to play in LA, who is looking to win a ring and then trade our franchise cornerstone player who is 27 and comes out and expresses how much he loves Milwaukee and wants to stay here... and we can trade those two players for each other! And then after that you can trade Glenn Robinson and Sam Cassell, Tim Thomas and blow up a team in a few weeks... for no discernible reason.

Well, how about this as a supporting point. The Brewers gave up two prospects who were... never really prospects. Never top 30, even in more mediocre Brewers farm systems. I don't think teams are trading him for that if they believe he's "premium talent." So not sure Cooper Hummel and Alberto Ciprian really qualified as "premium talent," compared to the compensation for Canha or Santana and he signed a 2 year 20M contract with the Steve Cohen Mets. You want to take issue with just... flat, objective metrics like WRC+, but you phrase it as though he went out and got some big monster deal. Also, Canha and Santana both have more WAR in their limited time with the Brewers than Escobar did with his time with the Brewers and the rest of his career through that "multi-year deal."

I remember last year when he hit .288, top 10, put up a .355 OBP and was an elite defender and had a 3.6 WAR. Not exactly a star, but... one person said they preferred Akil Baddoo over him. I'm pretty confident that they're not selling Frelick for pennies on the dollar now. I'd also argue "quite the downfall," is... VERY premature.

He's not a good starting CB all things being equal... Micah parsons makes them not equal. He's good enough with Parsons, Wyatt, LVN(who did play well when healthy last year) and just so long as he doesn't have to cover long. Ask him to play in a zone defense where the ball comes out quickly... he's going to come up and take on RBs and make plays on the ball. Valentine I thought got more hate even and he's better in coverage(some BRUTAL "tackle" attempts last year though). Nixon is a bit underrated on here.... he's incredibly underrated on other places like X where people wanted him cut this off-season... which is a massive disconnect. He's underpaid. He's get I think 12M or so if he were a FA.

To be taken with a grain of salt, but I asked Gemini... whatever. The free version is... pretty bad, but I think the Gemini pro is pretty useful. Now JUST Nixon and Wyatt- I'm a bit skeptical Nixon was ever tracking at an All-Pro level. Valentine's numbers seem more realistic. But this secondary was good enough with Wyatt and Parsons. Wyatt was really coming on as a interior pass rusher and... we all know what Parsons is. I think this unit is good enough IF those two are healthy... and I expect they will be. This defense was playing great. A couple of late game meltdowns, largely due to the offense(Browns) or Special teams. Does anyone remember the CBs on the Giants teams who beat the Pats? I'd bet most people remember Strahan, JPP, Tuck, Canty... etc...Linvel Joseph was a young IDL on that team. One reason the Rams are a little more scared(and by a little, I mean a lot) is they have some studs at CB and an elite pass rush. But I think this team is as talented as anyone that doesn't have Myles Garrett and who knows how that plays out. I argued a lot last year that our CBs were just not good enough, we had all slot CBs, plus Bullard. Once we got Parsons, I cared a lot less. Plus, we have exceptional safeties.

It doesn't seem great. If we're trading a player like Giannis, young stars or larger contracts(like Jaylen Brown) who are also stars and a pick or two make sense, then flip Brown to another contender. They can piece together bad contracts and picks. But I don't care how many 1sts we get this year, I'm looking for the next 3-4-5 years. By then, you'll be clear of the picks you owe, maybe you'll have a building block or two of young players and the means to add more young talent and be clear of the bad cap hits.

The best and most obvious trade for me is the three team with Boston and Portland OR just with Portland. We get out future picks back...we get some young talent and we try and develop our young players... I'm still skeptical Giannis actually wants a trade. I think he is split. He likes the stability and his standing in the community. That's just entirely based on some rumors combined with some things he's said. I think it's obviously in everyone's best interest to trade him vs extending him as it'd take a series of just home run picks and fluke signings to all work out to become a contender again, but I also think this is as weak as the NBA has been in a while. But we're still just way too far away. Getting our future 1sts back would be... as good as it can get(maybe... NOLA really likes Portis and we can ship him and someone else there). Seriously though, I would also be open to expanding a trade to include AJ Green if needed. He's on a very good contract and who knows if a team that trades for Giannis will be ready made for him. Minnesota seems like an awful fit. Ant, Gobert, Randle...

Man, people don't see Sproat becoming just a stud for us? The guy was hitting triple digits yesterday. The stuff looks elite, he just dominates and then has that blow up innings. I'd HATE to see him in that trade with Jett and a sweetener, whoever that may be. I think he could be that #3 with Mis and Harrison to match that Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta trio. Just watching the guy... the end results are infuriating, but watching the movement and when he's in the zone, even without great command, but just getting it over the plate, he's filthy. I've made the 2019 Burnes comp. I don't expect he'll become Burnes, but he could certainly become an elite #3 with the potential to be more. I see what you're saying. That's my mistake, I apologize, I misunderstood. Burnes was dominant that year. Even through June 18th of that season, he was coming off his worst 2 starters and his FIP was 1.15. Burnes was incredible at not giving up HRs that year... he didn't walk anyone. He was great. And I'm sure Miz will have a blowup at some point... but he keeps going through the BEST lineups with almost no resistance. Tonight, it'll be the Braves. That's a great lineup. I keep expecting someone to give him trouble and it's only ever really him. I said this before his May, 'he's the most talented and dominant young arm the Brewers have ever had.' Not sure if that was exactly how I put it, but it was still just the talent, not "the best," yet. Now... I think you can say... this is the best arm we've ever developed. Don't know how it'll play out, don't know if he'll throw 1K innings for the Brewers and dominate before we inevitably have to move on, but at his best, he's on another level in just how overpowering he is and how dominant. He's the type of guy who can get you two wins vs even the Dodgers. Skubal has won the last 2 Cy Young's and may be a better matchup vs the LAD just due to the lefties. For all the great pitching we absolutely did have... we won our first playoff series and last playoff series without any of those guys starting. So just maybe, this is a year you push some chips in. I think you could then use Sproat out of the pen in shorter 2-3 inning spurts and get more out of him as well and make Harrison your #3? I'm a prospect hoarder, so I'm good either way... but damn this would be fun!

I don't disagree with this. Avoiding those guys... would make much easier. The best comp I can think of for a trade like this would be the Astros trading for Randy Johnson... though, he actually lost his two playoff starts, he was a dominant, overpowering lefty. Houston gave up a lot for him. Carlos Guillen, Freddy Garcia and a innings eater who had little value. A LOT of trade value(maybe 70 WAR for their careers) traded away, but you got probably the most dominant pitcher to be traded in the last 30 years in a playoff race. That's what I'd be expecting and assuming health, you could then go with a rotation of... Skubal, Mis, Harrison vs the LAD and Woodruff as the #4. Hope he can give you 4-5 innings. You'd have, again, hopefully Sproat as a long man out of the pen. I think he's so close to figuring it out. I'd hate to include him in a trade and I could see Detroit wanting him... But a trade that would be worth it and would hurt would be Fischer, Adamsczewski, Letson and maybe Wilken or Adams. Of all the trades the last few seasons, I've been pretty against most of them, but this would have the ripple impact where you might have to go for it the way it'd set up your staff. Jett Williams is another option with Jesus Made on the way up. You'll still have those premium prospects, you'll still have young pitching, Priester is now a question mark, but hopefully someone who with his age can come back like Wheeler or Merril have and leaves you with a very nice rotation. Plus, the lefty vs the Dodgers with Ohtani, Tucker, Freeman? There's never a perfect time, but this is close to as good as it gets.

Aren't they ALL right behind home in that little section? I'd imagine the 500 dollar seats are directly behind home, that first row, but that's really not much... for those type of tickets to a professional sports event. What's "that much" is obviously relative, but for those seats and the benefits that go with them, I think that's very reasonable.

Ok... but why are we comparing last year and this year from Mis to just Burnes best year? I wouldn't, but I understand where you're coming from. Pena is soo talented and then Braylon Payne is so undervalued that he's the one guy I'd take off the table... at least as long as he's valued as being not one of our top 10 prospects and outside the top 100. His upside is... just enormous and IMO 3rd behind just Made and Pena... it's just I do not think his value reflects that. It's probably more likely that he ends up a 4th OFer, but with his speed, frame, the power he's already showing and he's still just 19. He could easily add 20 pounds of good weight over the next 2 years, turn into a GG left fielder and if he can improve that hit tool juuust a bit, be a .265/.380/.500 type hitter who has 30/30 tools. Again, not likely, we know "toolsy" OFers often miss, but I like him too much. I get that may be counter intuitive, but... I just don't think the trade value matches his potential and would prefer Fischer/Jett who are both more highly regarded. I think the Tigers would inside on a top 3 prospect, another guy who is at least in that ~10 range and then a 3rd piece like Letson, Hardin, Knoth(another guy I wouldn't move due to his value relative to upside). Luke Adams and Brock Willken though... throw them into the deal as we pretty much have to either trade or add them or someone will surely take them each this off-season.

It's... RARE that it's fun to watch your team play defense...(the very little defense the other 7 players played). I keep thinking he hasn't peaked yet, that in a few years, he's going to probably lose a couple MPH, but still be throwing 98-101 and then his other pitches can be so-so nasty, he just doesn't need them(he threw a change CB last night that was sooo filthy)... but I guess how much more dominant can you get?