Some folks here have a better memory than I do, but we've been here before, fairly recently. Gold, Neugebauer, Jones, Hendrickson, Fredrickson, Gallardo, and I know there were several others rated very high on the Power 50 at that same time. That group actually had more guys with real filthy stuff compared to the current group. Plus, that above list is stretching it a bit with Bucci, Scarpetta, Anundsen,Fiers, etc. Out of that list, Rivas and Peralta project to be mid-bottom of the rotation type starters. Odorizzi and Heckathorn look like very good so far, but it's just too early. I'll agree the pitching in the system, is deeper than it has been the past 5 years or so, but I don't see guys at this point that project as top of the roatation type starters within the next couple years at least.