Beyond Segura, none of our hitters are "young guys". Weeks is a veteran, and contributing next to nothing. Lucroy is a vet, and is struggling mightily. Betancourt and Gonzalez are old guys, and after a hot streak by Yuni to start the season, we are getting little from them. Hard to win when 1/2 of your lineup is not producing anything at all. And when we are in a position to win, our manager makes a dumb decision like putting Axford and his 9 + ERA in for the 8th with a 3-2 lead. We're playing poorly as it is, and on the occasion when we do play well, our skipper sabotages us. Sure, I agree and sorry for wording it too much about "young guys." I guess what I was trying to say is there were quite a few posters to start the season that said we should play for future years and not really worry about immediate success. All I was trying to point out is this is what that strategy looks like. It's not pretty and can be pretty terrible to watch. That's not to say that we shouldn't be playing better, but that if we truly want to play for the "future" then we as fans need to accept that ugly baseball can and will be played on a regular basis.