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This. I used a bit of hyperbole with his age, but right now Gasser looks like a AAAA player to me. Patrick has been awesome for us out of the bullpen, but I’m going to be frustrated if we continue to throw Gasser and Sproat as starters while keeping Patrick in the bullpen.

Yikes… after an exciting first inning, the in-game chat has gone cold as well

So I’ll ask again… if Patrick stays and continues to excel out of the bullpen, who are our key 5 in the starting rotation? miz, Harrison… then Henderson, Sproat, ?

I get he’s our 7th or so starter right now… but ouch. A promising start went sideways quickly. 4 hits, 4 runs, 3 walks, 4 innings will not play.

We’re in business again. Time for Vaughn to make them pay

Yeah. Not so great.

Encouraging early going from Gasser. hamilton no bueno time for Jackson to get smokin’ Great battling from Frelick

Should be a good one tonight. I’m calling it 4 scoreless innings for Gasser with Ashby coming in to vulture a win in the 7th

Considering they had a 20-3 stretch this season, dropping into last place after that would really be something

This has been a great regular season run. And I agree that we are one of the most well-run franchisees in baseball. Objectively, though our performance in the playoffs is below average. In the current era there are 11 playoff series winners per year. 4 wild card, 4 divisional, 2 LCS, and 1 WS, meaning that about 100 playoff series have been won over the past decade. We only have two wins (series), whereas leak average would be somewhere between 3 to 4. if you look at final four appearances (making the LCS), we have two out of the 40 that have qualified the past decade, slightly above average 1-2. in some ways, I do not like comparing the past decade to the 80s and 90s, as it has become much easier to make the playoffs (4 teams versus 12), but there is no denying this is definitely the golden era of Brewer’s baseball. sure beats the heck out of the Wendy SP era. Go, Brewers let’s sweep the Dodgers!!

Sounds good to me. Anyone is better than Seigler, I mean Rengifo

Not to get back into the extension discussions, but I feel like Hader was most valuable early on when he was our highest leverage reliever rather than “the closer” if we could pay Patrick via extension so that we can use him how he can be most valuable to us, rather than most valuable for arby counting stats, it could be a win-win

Patrick Is quickly becoming my favorite Brewer. There are so many awesome young players to choose from on this team.

Hells yes! Fear not, I promise to not start an “extend Henderson” thread 😆

I think it really depends on the dollar amount. I think some of the comments in the thread (as well as the tough loss of a season for QP) are a cautionary tale to tap the brakes. There are others that are far better at projecting the Arby Years than I... A deal to just buy out the arby years doesn't seem to make sense for the club perspective. Why take on injury risk and opportunity cost that could go south with an injury, or the potential for inconsistent performance. On the other hand, while its annoying to have $20M+ tied up in Woody this year with his injuries, the potential for "playoff ace" Woody on a one-year commitment at that price seemed to be worth the risk. So for Harrison, if we assume $1M, $4M, $8M, $12M (assuming he performs well), that is $25M over the next 4 for the club (assuming year to year). I still think that 5th year for us (would be 2031), could have some excess value if this keeps up, but probably not enough excess value over 2 years compared to what it would cost us to get him to sign... So maybe you split the difference and offer $25M over the 4 years, with a team option ($5 million buyout or $20 million salary) to make it either 4/30, or 5/45 if you think that 2031 could be a "go for it year"... If our goal is to be competitive every year, with maybe a 1-2 year "go for it"" window every 5-6, maybe it isn't worth it in the same way it would be if adding the 5th year would have been in 2028 or 2029. All that said, if we have QP this deal (mid-season), and now he'd be likely missing this entire season with the potential for no season in 2027, and I wouldn't feel great about paying for 2 seasons without getting any real production.

This might be a situation (ala Adames) where it is in the best interests of the franchise to keep Turang until FA, then let him walk for the comp pick. I realize and respect that others have a difference of opinion on the Burnes/Hader deals, but I just don't think those worked out for us. I guess for the "getting over the top", having a 5 WAR player for 1 season is far more valuable to me than having a 1 WAR player for 5 seasons, even though it can be argued the WAR is the same (Burnes - 1 year versus 5 years of Hall/Ortiz, Hader versus 5 years of Ruiz/Gasser). Not trying to argue that the later follow up trade of Ruiz was phenomenal. I'd revise my perception considerably if we acquired Ruiz specifically to acquire Contreras, but I honestly feel like that just fell into our lap rather than a multi-step plan.

The question might be (and why get worried for something that might not happen), how does our system need to change if pre-FA control is reduced to 4 or 5 years instead of the 6-7? Does that add more of a market incentive to do these early 6-8 year deals in the $40-60 million range for our premium players. I think we all agree that the $20-$30M/per deals really crash our system. Between Braun, Yelich, its hard to argue that either of those deals worked out for us. Woody hasn't (but was realistically a 1 year deal at that premium price so it doesn't hurt long term)... I agree that signing Adames, Williams, Burnes, and Hader would not have been in our best interests. My question would be though, would 1 extra year of Adames last year helped us? Would 1 extra year of Contreras or Turang help us in 2028, 2029, or 2030? I think my original point was, would it be a valuable strategy to try and extend (early) our control over some of these premium players from 6-7 years to 8-9 years if possible. Not keep them for their career, but try and get year 1 or 1/2 of their FA. I realize this is a dicey proposition though. Extend the wrong players, and you end up with bad contracts. Wait too long for the player to establish themselves, and there really is no reason for them to give up their most valuable 1-2 years of FA. Then again, an injury can come out of nowhere (QP, Woody, etc)

I think this is definitely the reality of a successful small market team in MLB. what makes this so frustrating though is the need for all of your well performing prospects to more or less reach their peak at the same time to have a shot at a World Series. not saying that is impossible, but will be extraordinarily difficult. The good news is that when we do win a World Series we will absolutely have earned it as compared to some teams that just buy it. I think the passion for the Dodgers is a mile wide, but only an inch deep.

Which deals have worked out for us through where we trade a player 1 year from FA? We’ve made some outstanding trades, but they seem to be where we are trading prospects for young pre-arby guys who haven’t fully hit their stride (Contreras, Adames, Priester, Harrison) In terms of the pure trades, I do not think we’ve done well with the 6th year guys (Burnes, Hader, etc). Jury is still out on the Peralta trade. if we roll with the 5-6 year strategy and then let the guys go (Adames), I can live with that as we get often a peak year out of them.

I will go on the record now as being in favor of giving QP an extension. I get that he may not pitch for us in 2026, and there may be no season in 2027, but thought he was dynamic for us last season. I would not want to give him a $100M deal, but given what he has proven, and given his current injury risk, buying out the remaining 3 Arby Years (2027, 2028, 2029), with 2 team options for 2030-2031 might be worth it. $4 / $7 / $10 for Arby Years, with Team Options for $13/$17 and buyouts of $2/$2 So 3 Years/$25 million guaranteed, and 5 years $51 million if fully extended.

My concern on our 2028/2029 window would be that we won't have Contreras during those years, and we might not have Turang in 2029. Would we still have Bauers? Age/FA? I hope Quero/Dinges can step in but that point, but they (assuming year 1/2 of their MLB career) would likely be a major downgrade offensively from Wild Bill. If Jett/Pratt come up and give us something, that could help improve on the current Hamilton/Ortiz offensive challenges, but losing Turang would be a huge blow to our offense. Not trying to be pessimistic, but by 2028-29, the only regular that we can probably pencil in for sure in our lineup (especially 2029) is Chourio, while also hoping that Pratt/Made/Jett have made the leap. Key in a WS run versus being competitive is that our offense likely needs to be significantly better than it is now, and while I'm very high on our young/unproven players, expecting them to not only replace production from Contreras/Turang but also step up from what we're getting from Yelich, Bauers, Vaughn could be tough. Maybe a healthy compromise would be to go for Buxton... And yes, I was talking about 2018 Burnes / 2018 Machado... not 2026 Machado

Sproat? I love the potential, but he hasn’t shown anything yet. The guy has an ERA pushing 6 (I realize ERA is not the end all be all) I think you’re underselling Patrick. The guy has been lights out this season.

I would support both of these trades. I get the “bites of the apple” approach, which gives us a ton of playoff appearances, but we just have not had enough offense over the past decade when it matters. looking back, it seems like a no brainer to have traded Burnes for Machado. I hate the guy, but we probably win the NL Pennant that year if we make that trade. Burnes was a good player for us and won a Cy Young, but I don’t think we won a single playoff game with Burnes 2019+

Harrison only has 4 years of team control left after this year, or are you saying that we’d give him a boost immediately this season? if he continues this trajectory, he’s probably looking at: 2027: $1M 2028: $5M arby 1 2029: $10m arby 2 2030 $20m arby 3 i would think we’d need to go 30/30 for the FA years to get him interested… so that would be 6/96 at a minimum IMO i’d put my priority for extensions: 1) Made 2) Harrison 3) Patrick… I’d also love one with Miz, Wild Bill, and Turang, but those opportunities have probably passed

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