colbyjack No argument on improving the talent. But who stays and who goes? Right now, I'd say the following ought to be staying: Position players: Sexson, Jenkins, Ginter, Hall, Helms, Podsednik Bench: Perez, Clark, Conti Rotation: Sheets, Davis, Martinez (young and cheap), probably Franklin Bullpen: Kolb, Crudale, Matt Ford, Kieschnick (could be moved to the bench) -- If you want to get talent next year, particularly in the starting lineup, the club has to be willing to pay, either by trading some players (Pittsburgh might still be interested in moving Jason Kendall. If the Pirates paid half his salary, I'd be willing to ship them Kinney or Obermueller and a pair of low-ceiling prospects - call it OF Chris Morris and 2B Alejandro Machado - to bring him to Milwaukee), free agency (opeing the checkbook to bring in a solid RF and #5 hitter - maybe Jeromy Burnitz can be convinced to return to Milwaukee for a year or two), or a combination of those two. Good minor league-free agents are nice for getting a decent bench or filling holes in the bullpen, but to seriously upgrade the starting lineup, it will take a trade or signing a free agent.