Roscoe Chill

So far my new sig is right on! I doubt they broach the subject on Thursday though, like I originally thought. And I'd like to change my DL trip date to Monday 4/28, after they announce, he won't make his scheduled start again...but I guess it could still end up like I thought it would originally.

I forgot his primary goal is winning this year, so he's the man for the job. If you don't like words being put in your mouth, then try to avoid doing so to me. And calling me out because I didn't hit "post" 10 seconds earlier and then editing my post to reflect what happened.

Well believe it or not, I was posting "Why would he pull Suppan after that" the moment that ball went out of the yard. Like I said naivin I don't see what's so difficult between one baserunner = why pull him...three hits in a row = take him out there. Ned seems to do the opposite. Again, I'm not the type that will rip him no matter what the decision is based on the outcome. But you go ahead and keep thinking otherwise. I'll post my thoughts on his moves in this thread.

See naivin, I don't question every move Ned Yost makes. I'm sorry you feel that way. Conversely, I KNOW that you'll defend every move he makes. I'm fair in my criticism. Like I said, if Suppan had given up ONE more baserunner, there's no question. And like I said, Suppan may have given up the homer too, you never know. But to answer your comment, no I wouldn't have turned around and said Suppan left him in too long. Now, if Suppan gave up that single, then another single, and then a walk, and he left him in there? Sound familiar? That's a different story. I'm not saying Brian Shouse hasn't been good. I'm saying that Suppan not only looked great, quite frankly he deserved to face one more batter. The way things were going there was a good chance it would have been an out.

It wasn't hindsight to me. I wondered aloud why he was pulling him before anything happened. If he would have given up that single, and then a walk, or another hit with the next batter...I have no problem with Suppan getting the hook then. It may have been only a one batter difference, and Suppan may have given up the homer also...that's not the point. Suppan shouldn't have been pulled in that situation, and other times it's obvious that the pitcher should be pulled and it doesn't happen until it's too late. Like someone (Gorman Harvey) said in the in game thread, he has no feel for the game.

Pitcher gives up three consecutive base runners...leave him in. Pitcher dominating and under 90 pitches? Take him out after a weak single. That's Ned Yost.

I understand the move if Suppan hadn't been dominating...but he was indeed dominating. And explain to me why he'll leave other guys in there when it's obvious they've lost it?

Dumb move for Ned yet again.

Yeah, I wouldn't word it if they need to acquire an "ace." I would word it, if they need to acquire a quality starter. And my answer would be Joe Blanton.

No, not on the open market, you are correct. But there are options out there. The Haren package was 5 prospects (+Eveland), and they were 'good' prospects, but if I recall, they weren't 'great.'

And I'm not sure yet that one of those 84-85 mph pitches at the end there wasn't actually a fastball. True that, and that would be even worse.

I'm not saying that there wasn't some soreness from his last start. I'm saying that when he was pulled, I think it was because it was something worse than what he was feeling. He threw like four or five straight change ups at the end of his last inning. That doesn't jive with it hurting more in the 3rd than the 4th and 5th.

And just out of curiosity, when has Ned talked down to fans? I've always found him to be a pretty good guy actually? Last year, when the going got tough, and the not so tough questions were asked...he brought up fans in a 'they don't know' light. I believe in one post game press conference when asked about a pitching decision etc. his answer was "IT'S SCOTT LINEBRINK!!" Like Linebrink was Mariano Rivera. Just pay attention, he'll do it again this year.

I highly doubt Sheets felt what he felt when pulled last night all week. Ned can say whatever he wants.

I would rather take Sheets for 80% of a season Well, yeah...so would I. For some reason or another, that hasn't happened for three years (80%).

And the Brewers couldn't get together enough for Haren Says who? Maybe they didn't try. If at the end of this year, they know Sheets isn't going to be back, and there is a comparable pitcher on the trade market, maybe they would make it a priority?

Weren't both Dan Haren and Erik Bedard traded just a few months ago? I'd call that available.

Well, I for one am not mad at Ben Sheets personally. I'm frustrated that I think that this latest injury will linger longer than a lot of you out there think it will, if not be a bad one already that just hasn't been announced. I'm also frustrated that like seven or eight Wisconsin Badgers defensive linemen who should be in the rotation won't be playing in today's spring game. My point is, the Brewers can't afford to lose Sheets to yet another injury, and it looks like they will. Comparatively, the Badgers can't afford to lose any more defensive linemen, yet their best one, maybe the best one in the conference went down yesterday in the wackiest spring I've ever heard of. So, yeah, it's frustrating. You guys that sit there and remain calm, saying there's really nothing to worry about...that's your coping mechanism. History with Ben Sheets shows that the people who are fearing the worst are probably more likely to be correct. You can argue about how "fluky" the injuries are, or how many injuries he's actually had...next some of you guys will be saying that this latest injury is STILL from his injury that bridged 2005 and 2006, so he can't be called injury prone, for having only one injury, and argue that he's just another starting pitcher. When, unfortunately, he's just not someone that you can pencil in a hypothetical playoff rotation if they are lucky enough to get there. I'd put it at about 33% chance BEFORE the season started that he wouldn't be able to pitch down the stretch, just by looking at the last three years. Now? It's no better than 50-50 in my book, and we could very well find out in the next couple days that it's A LOT worse. And that sucks.

Come to think of it...ah nevermind...in before the lock.

How about month in and month out?

That's interesting NYChez. However, that's only the initial diagnosis, and this IS Sheets we're talking about, so I'll go with Lackey as the BEST case scenario...early June at best.

And as far as more info to come (I hope I'm wrong), but here's how it will go, unless of course they find something serious tomorrow: Saturday 4/19: Sheets is feeling all right, status unknown, may have to miss a start, not sure. Monday 4/21: Announcement that Sheets will miss his next start, strictly precautionary at this point. Thursday 4/23: Nothing new at this point, Sheets still doesn't feel right, he'll start to get testy with the media. Sunday 4/26: Sheets put on the 15 day DL retroactive to 4/20. Tuesday 5/5: Sheets eligible to come off DL, but won't, still not feeling "right." After that, who knows?

When it's all said and done and Ben Sheets never pitches a playoff game for the Brewers, it will be a shame...and totally a result of his fragility.

When he's so good when able (operative words when able) but can't even get through the first three weeks of the season without SOMETHING to happen health-wise, I just don't understand how anyone can say with a straight face that they're not worried, given his history. His NEW nickname is Mr. Glass? I've seen this movie before.

Another fluke injury! There's no such thing as injury prone. He's only had two injuries his entire career. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/eyes.gif