Of course we have been hashing this out in the beer thread for years . . . normally it's my Cali bashing that gets me in trouble . . . I lived in the Twin Cites now ten years removed so I know not what it's like now. Summit and Capitol were the "micros". I've had one New Glarus, and several Goose Is. and was underwhelmed, not that that means anything to anybody. Of the four beers you mention, two are from California, which is an entirely different scene. The two Oregon Brewers are what we like to call the "Mid-Majors", meaning they are trying to follow in Red Hook's footsteps and go national. The best brewers don't even bottle their stuff. I would put these breweries up against anybody in the country. Diamond Knot Boundary Bay Amnesia Maritime Pacific Georgetown Hopworks Lucky Lab Ninkasi and those are just the OUTSTANDING ones . . . many, many more. To the point that it's reached an over-saturation point. Everybody has different tastes, but Micro's are a different world in Washington and Oregon. mainly due to the over abundance of Cascade Hops. EDIT: Fremont Brewing brought in an old Goose Island brewmaster and is off to a FANTASTIC start. Normally with this level of competition, it take a while to get up to speed.