If you're including this year's production in the discussion, which I admit is more than a little premature 12 games in, Rickie is hitting .213 with an OBP of .338. If he plays 140 games (a modest projection assuming health) this year he's on pace for 35 homers 35 steals and 152 runs. If Phillips isn't shaded towards 2nd on that play a couple days ago and Rickie hits that 400 foot out a few days ago 3 more feet to the left I feel like this topic doesn't even get started. The years past are what I think we need to be judging Rickie on, and he's only played in about 100 games each of those three years. If you project his numbers in each year to about 140 games he's a 20/30 guy who routinely has an OBP 100 points or more higher than his BA. And these are all in years where when he actually was on the field, he was far from 100 percent healthy. The only thing holding Rickie back has been injuries in my opinion. The average leadoff hitter last year had a .277/.341/.427 line, and the average 2nd baseman had a .272/.341/.418 line. I'll take Rickie's .234/.374/.418 from his injury plagued 2007 over both of these, and we haven't seen the best of him yet. Defensively Rickie isn't good by any means, but we have been seeing improvement year to year, and I don't think sayin he'll be an average fielding 2nd baseman is outrageous. Offensively I'd be willing to say Weeks is already a top 5 second baseman, so the only area I'm even worried about him is on the defensive side.