OldSchoolSnapper

When they agreed to that in March, an entire season with no fans wasn't something anyone was looking at. Too bad, so sad for them. They should honor that deal. I'm really tired of the owners doing crap like this and the general public usually siding not necessarily with the owners, but against the players.

It would be cool if they could somehow do a social distance tailgate of some kind if there end up being no-fan games at MP. Obviously don't fill the lot, let a few hundred cars in with plenty of space. It would be a cool way to involve the fans...charge $5 and do 50/50 with some virus relief fund or something. Maybe more and throw in the t-shirts they've been selling. I think there is a safe way to do it as long as it's scaled back. It could also get people used to going to these things again. Maybe not right off the bat but an idea down the road.

The implication wasn't to end them everywhere; the implication was to end them where they no longer made sense, specifically some of the satellite campuses. Your point about quality faculty to teach supports that point exactly - if the programs are consolidated to a couple of schools in a system (say, Cal-Berkeley and UC-Irvine), then the resources invested in those programs can be consolidated to those schools which can then attract better faculty and better students. The 100-level intro courses at the other satellite campuses can be taught by TA's and adjunct professors. Businesses learned a long time ago that you can't be everything to everybody. That's probably the case with higher education, too. This is true, but like I mentioned earlier, a lot of these programs are not really blows to the budget. Many of them are just drops in the bucket and are there for public image more than anything else. Cutting theater won't do anything. It just isn't costing that much to begin with.

I don’t mean to be combative, but as an outsider, it’s my perception that there are a lot of six figure jobs on campus that have little to do with teaching or research and that the number of these jobs has grown significantly over the last 30 years (along with tuition). Am I misguided? Yeah I'm also going to object to the idea that way too many colleges are not living large. This is my opinion as an outsider, but also the opinion of people I know who work at these schools, who talk all the time there being way too much clutter, way too much administration. What I hear from these people is not actually that the humanities and modernism are wasting money, because the reality is those depts. don't cost all that much. It is that the business school, and the flagship programs, have way too much excess. These places are not operating sustainably. There is no logical way reconcile the cost of college, even at a state school, with their budget problems. You cannot be making that kind of money per head and be losing it without some major red flags. I also happen to know two accounting professors in the UW System who privately bemoan tenure and would like nothing more than to see it abolished. They've simply seen too many peers achieve tenure and then all but stop teaching completely. To be honest, I find this less objectionable at flagships schools. The economics professor at UW making $536k, which caused some uproar, could go to NY and make $10 million running a hedge fund. These are head of field people who can demand whatever they want for the most part and you need people like that at a flagship school. The issue is not the teachers, it is administration and dumb spending.

I recall the story about his family but not that he was short on cash. Just that he did have some hangers on who were taking advantage of him. I haven't heard anything about financial trouble though and at least from what you can see in various things, he seems to be doing just fine and taking very good care of himself physically. That he had $500k liquid to give back right away would seem to be good evidence of that.

I'm not even too old, graduated in '09, and I had plenty of professors that taught challenging authority, asking questions of sources, thinking for yourself, etc. I'm not buying that at all.

Where do you think the states will be diverting their money? I could see a temporary dip in funding to provide social assistance and small businesses, but wouldn't it come back at some point? I don't think this had reached the public yet but the satellite schools in WI were already in big trouble before this started. Enrollment at Whitewater and the like is collapsing and there were impending layoffs coming. The bread and butter programs at those schools will survive. The humanities are probably on borrowed time at the satellite campuses, which, frankly, is overdue. There are way too many programs at the satellites. They need to focus on their niche and get with the times. The model is way outdated and this will probably be the impetus that forces a move. Higher education has been living large for way too long and this has fast tracked the reality check. Most of this is coming from some faculty at UWW and UWL I happen to know.

I had the exact same thought. Kind of like getting an STD in those places. Not something you're going to feel like explaining.

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Your last post had no mention of me or any quote of mine so I had no idea you were talking to me. What exactly are you asking for? The link I already posted? You want a site map to it? Why? Just click it or call the team if it's not enough. Good grief.

If the story were about Aaron Rodgers there would be a lot more people from WI playing defense on this one. Do you think Rodgers is that much more popular in the state than Favre? Seems to me the Packers fans love that Aaron Rodgers is their QB...but that Favre was the more beloved player, the guy who represents their values more. But that's just the opinion I get from people I know. Let me rephrase, but yes. People generally feel more of a need to defend behavior of current players. The animosity toward Favre has definitely softened, but I don't think fans feel a real need to defend him. With Rodgers, that is not the case, most people still like to find excuses for him, just like they used to with Favre and his philandering and bad decisions on the field.

That isn't irony, Rick. You've spent entirely too much time discussing their refund policy when your problem could be solved with a 5 minute phone call. Maybe call them, and tell them the site should update. Telling us won't fix it.

It could be blocked by the Supreme Court in a matter of days but I don't think anyone really knows. It wouldn't be shot down on May 26, it would just end. And probably some lighter form of it extended.

The information we have now makes the virus look a lot less scary. So yes, adjustments should be expected, just not the ones we have seen. Flatten the curve was a hashtag, it was everywhere. It's flat, that part is over. The hospitals are not getting overwhelmed. But now that's not good enough and we have to extend locking down to prevent a "2nd wave curve" that may not happen. That's not what they were saying 6 weeks ago. This is a weird situation I find myself in as a mostly left-leaning, advanced degree-educated individual that is normally the person at odds with people I'm suddenly aligned with. I'm not quite in the crowd alleging Bill Gates made COVID19 in a lab, and I think most of these people would be protesting regardless of the situation, but I think we are going about this all wrong at this point and making huge mistakes. Sustaining this into the fall with mortality rates possibly <.5% because we're afraid a second wave might hit? Essentially banning int'l travel into the spring? We need to be practicing targeted lockdown in a way that actually makes sense, i.e. nursing homes and hospitals, not K-12 schools and cherry picking small businesses on a criteria that makes no sense whatsoever. You don't need to look beyond this thread to see that I was all for this in the beginning, but it's time to reassess the risk and begin to accept some of the inherent risk of getting out of bed each day. The people I work with and speak to daily are not thinking straight because of the fear campaign and now have a completely unrealistic threshhold for "safety."

Not sure how pointing out some pretty basic math is "dying on a hill." If 1/4 of NYC actually did have it then the deaths are still under 1%. If you're only using deaths/confirmed cases then the mortality rate is like 10% in NYC which we all know is way high. It will be higher in NYC anyway and that was addressed in Chorizo's original post; he used a .3% global figure; it will be higher and lower in other places. Just pointing out that converting .3% mortality to NYC's population is not a real compelling way to prove the global death rate will be >1%. I don't think the mortality rate is a minor detail. The initial estimates on it look more off by the week and were a big driver in a lot of the actions taken. I've said I have no issue at all with the initial shutdowns because everybody was guessing. But I am puzzled by how anyone can say the goalpost hasn't moved. What would piss me off if I owned a small business is driving around my town and seeing a line 40 people deep at the custard stand, the bustling liquor stores every night and a full Walmart parking lot while I can't sell trinkets in my shop or cut hair. None of it makes any sense and there a million opportunities for transmission going on all over the place. I can't help but find it laughable that we "contained" this. That ship sailed.

The math on death rate being less than 1% still checks out if you believe the reports coming out the infection rate was much higher than originally thought. I suspect in NYC both infections and deaths will be higher because of the population density. But if you believe 1/4 of the city had it already, which has been suggested, then it still works out to around .7%. I believe when this is all said and done, .7% will be on the very high end compared to most places.

I agree with you pretty much 100% and this sentence is exactly what's really getting under my skin. We could not stop hearing that we had to flatten the curve, that we could re-open when we did that, that the WHOLE point was to not overwhelm hospitals. That is now out the door and we need to all but eradicate the virus to please people, it seems. Flatten the curve was replaced with abundance of caution.

Good grief this is depressing. My opinions won't change the measures these places are taking. Things like this are just a kick in the gut. Makes you realize how long this is actually going to drag out. I'm already concerned about school starting on time.

Brett Favre probably has no idea any of this ever happened. The entire arrangement was probably set up by his handlers and never made it back to him. I couldn't care less about defending him. He just doesn't seem like the type to be making big business deals on his own. Like Brett Favre ever put in a lick of work into "Prevacus." His agent gave him a script and said show up and read this and you get paid.

Sort of feel like we're in a no-man's land where most of the easy to open stuff is open and the closures are mostly things with large complications. Miller Park, crowded bars, etc. I have my own opinions on stuff, but at least if bars/restaurants can open in some capacity there would be some travel demand, maybe. I hope. This has already been brought up here but it is funny to me that you can't sit down at a diner but Home Depot is OK. Has anyone been a HD on the weekend during this? Mine was an absolute zoo last weekend. I'd never seen it so crowded.

This took me less than 15 seconds to find on their website. https://www.mlb.com/brewers/tickets/credit Yes, they went back to the no-refund policy to deceive you. I don't know why a person would spend all this time on BF.net complaining about it when you could just make one phone call and be done with it, though. The May games will probably be handled the exact same way. I'm guessing with an announcement by end of the week.

If the story were about Aaron Rodgers there would be a lot more people from WI playing defense on this one.

Again, I encourage watching of the Evergreen College doc. There were entirely made up "studies," intentionally fabricated and submitted for the sole purpose of confirming the bias of the peer reviewers. I don't believe this part is in the documentary, but it involved the same people. Basically they approved the papers they wanted to. The pranksters received an award for one in which they copied and pasted parts of Mein Kampf. Data is data and I'm agreeing with your point about the lazy thing and that you need to do your own legwork, but there was a time where an academic paper was a gold standard and it isn't anymore.

Well, I'll use science then. Here's what a Nobel-winning scientist had to say yesterday: "I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. I see the standout winners as Germany and Sweden. They didn't practice too much lockdown and they got enough people sick to get some herd immunity," Levitt explained. "There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor." Michael Levitt is currently on staff at Stanford. Boiling down his reasoning, the experts who came up with the models made the wrong assumption that the R value would remain constant. It doesn't, it goes down. And now we're seeing a refusal to acknowledge the mistake and instead just doubling down on the policy. I can't help but notice that "flatten the curve" and been all but replaced by "abundance of caution." The mistake is fine and I won't fault anyone for the initial month of closures that were the best decision in the absence of information. I do find flaws with what's happened since then.

Without getting too political, I think we are seeing some of the fallout from years of the dumbing down of America in this current situation. We're seeing the fallout from the demise of local journalism that nobody really understood the value of in the first place. "Why do I need the Podunk Times when CNN has everything." This is why.