Well the 20 CG are really fair to apply to today's game. Cy young is as much a popularity contest as production. So, I think not winning that also would not disqualify Ben from the great Brewer starter of all-time. Now W's, well we all were pretty sure that when Ben was only one game over, it was due to the O and not him, so W's can't be a major factor either. I would say we would have to go with ERA and K/BB ratio