I really haven't been talking about wins and losses per se, but if we must I will use the Yost arguement for Francona in Philly, too many injuries at the wrong time. In 2000, Schilling was hurt half the year, the closer was Jeff Brantley, Paul Byrd and Andy Ashby were terrible, Pat Burrell was a rookie, Scott Rolen and Bobby Abreu were the only offensive bright spots. All in all, Francona had 4 less wins total in 4 seasons in Philly than Yost had in his first 4 seasons in Milwaukee. Again, to argue win and loss totals between the Red Sox and Brewers is like comparing apples to oranges. Like you said, the salaries are in two different worlds. I was simply comparing brain power and overall competence as an MLB manager.