Ok. Hey man, I'm sorry, Sveum. My apologies. I've had a couple of rough nights (very high levels of pain), so I'm both not thinking really clearly, and probably have a bit of a short fuse. I looked at both the ESPN conversation and the JS online conversation while I was waiting for Brewerfan to come back up when I couldn't get it to load. You're right that it's probably not the best source for rational discussion, but it seemed to me that the indictments of Roenicke were without exception. I didn't want to go that far, but without a logical explanation at the ready, something seemed amiss. I was wondering if there wasn't a disagreement brewing between Roenicke and Garza. Garza has shown himself to be confrontational before.