MrTPlush

A WR actually making a great play on a ball? Amazing

You can try, but you will always be losing more than you are getting back…in the long run. If we trade Woodruff or Burnes, most of what we receive (if not all) will amount to nothing. The odds any of it becomes an All Star level talent I’d a huge order to fulfill. Very wasteful use of resources because we aren’t developing pitching. Unless you are referring to trading excess prospects of one side to get prospects of the other side…but that’s not really common or realistic, in my opinion. The one problem here is truly elite pitching prospects don’t seem to move in trades as often. Teams will ship out mega positional prospects all the time..,but rarely are teams wanting to give up pitching. We would be way better off developing pitching and trading Burnes/Woodruff for bats. If I had to guess, if either gets moved, it will be for bats and unlikely a pitching prospect heralded as a future frontline starter. Hopefully they can pick the right pitchers to compliment the bat that headlines any deal and maybe we can luck into finding another frontline starter.

You can try, but you will always be losing more than you are getting back…in the long run. If we trade Woodruff or Burnes, most of what we receive (if not all) will amount to nothing. The odds any of it becomes an All Star level talent I’d a huge order to fulfill. Very wasteful use of resources because we aren’t developing pitching. Unless you are referring to trading excess prospects of one side to get prospects of the other side…but that’s not really common or realistic, in my opinion. The one problem here is truly elite pitching prospects don’t seem to move in trades as often. Teams will ship out mega positional prospects all the time..,but rarely are teams wanting to give up pitching. We would be way better off developing pitching and trading Burnes/Woodruff for bats. If I had to guess, if either gets moved, it will be for bats and unlikely a pitching prospect heralded as a future frontline starter. Hopefully they can pick the right pitchers to compliment the bat that headlines any deal and maybe we can luck into finding another frontline starter.

Crazy they would consider canceling it forever. It was always a massive hit and really drummed up a lot of excitement for the team regardless of how good we were going to be. Definitely help people feel connected to the team going into spring. Seems like an essential thing for the Brewers to be doing. I have never even gone, but always got excited for the new faces and all the clips that go along with it. Always got me a little pumped even in like 2015/2016 when the team was assured to suck.

Used to develop hitting at will...then struck some gold with pitching, but now have zero hitters we developed. Looking at the minors now, it is heavily offensive and very very little for notable pitching. I suppose we can trade off Woody/Burnes for the pitching gap, but for perpetual contention you really should be doing pretty well developing both sides of the ball.

Seems fun....do people get to enroll under their preferred argument? Or can you be forced to argue for what you don't exactly believe in? I'd be side guessing to see if I can figure out who the mystery posters are.

Nothing like the 'ole give him target, but give him no time to throw to them or cripple him getting sacked over and over.

Are people really attacking Doubs as a problem? I don't think that is the complete truth. I think people are putting the blame on the people that are in charge that created the mess that requires him to be the #2 WR. Is he fine as a rookie, sure, but that isn't very good in the grand scheme. The WR group is Lazard, ancient Watkins, useless Rodgers, and then three rookies. The front office simply neglected the WR core over the years. These guys needed to be drafted 2-3 years ago. It certainly doesn't help the one time they decided to use a 3rd rounder on a WR he has done nothing in his second year. Whether or not that is Amari Rodgers just being that bad or the coaching staff not making a gameplan to utilize his skillset, I don't know. A lot of this is thanks to wasteful picking in the 2020 draft. Love has been and is still completely useless to helping win games, the 3rd round pick was used to grab a TE (spent a 4th the year prior on a TE too), and the 4th rounder was gone to get the useless guy in the first round. Right about now if when you would expect those guys to definitely be established starters. Obviously the WR issue is only part of the issue. They have definitely put effort into drafting the OL...and that hasn't exactly panned out great this year.

Or it totally destroys any chance of biting an apple for 2+ years. It is also more likely those prospects all fail to be anything meaningful in the grand scheme and don't really help a ton in biting apples in the future. If this was 2015 this would be a total no brainer...it isn't in 2022. Not saying they should hold onto him, but there are many more paths they could take than trading him. If they got a massive offer...like includes a borderline Top 10 prospect in baseball plus a lot more, I would send him on his way. If all we are getting offered is a prospect barely sitting in the Top 50 to headline the trade...I might just try to roll the dice one more year.

Or it totally destroys any chance of biting an apple for 2+ years. It is also more likely those prospects all fail to be anything meaningful in the grand scheme and don't really help a ton in biting apples in the future. If this was 2015 this would be a total no brainer...it isn't in 2022. Not saying they should hold onto him, but there are many more paths they could take than trading him. If they got a massive offer...like includes a borderline Top 10 prospect in baseball plus a lot more, I would send him on his way. If all we are getting offered is a prospect barely sitting in the Top 50 to headline the trade...I might just try to roll the dice one more year.

*Rodgers uses the word 'we'* You know I am really tired of him calling everyone out but himself.

Rumor has it they were the landing spot for Claypool till the Bears swooped in. I personally, am glad they didn't make a single trade. A WR was not going to help the offense. Even if we had better receivers the OL isn't going to let them get anywhere near their potential. I am not sure what the answer is next year. Probably signing a veteran WR that will actually be decent is a start. You then have to hope one of the younger guys breaks out. Of course the OL would look better if anyone could get open in a decent amount of time. I wish they would dump MLF and Barry, but the reality is I doubt that happens. They have a Super Bowl leader under center, which is 70% of the battle. They just need to get the right combo of OL help and WR help to make the offense click. I am not overly worried with the defense, there are plenty of good pieces on that side of the ball. I think this team is much too problematic to turn it around, but you never know. I definitely think they still have the pieces in place to fix the roster and have a super bowl potential team next year. I just don't know how much confidence I have in the front office doing what they need to do.

Yah, people look forward to the election being over...but since it is a presidential election coming up in two years I doubt there is much of a break. I would venture to guess this next cycle will be incredibly ad heavy and lots of money being thrown around.

I get one for the senate race almost daily. Ron Johnson and Mandela Barnes could end homelessness in Wisconsin with the amount of money they are spending.

People that leave out candy and don't actively watch it. There must have been a massive increase in video doorbells and security cameras at front doors the last year. I have seen countless videos (numerous in my community) of kids stealing candy. Ranging from little kids taking all of the candy while flipping off the camera, your typical high school kid, and even one where the parent sat in the car and made their kid steal it all. Are people just stupid? What do you expect? If you aren't home, don't put candy out...trust me, the world will keep spinning without your bottom shelf candy. One video the people were home watching the ring camera and came out to confront the kid...are you honestly that lazy you can't be by the door? Shame on the parents of 8-10 year olds that aren't even with them allowing this too.

You can't really compare a big market GM to one in a small market at face value. What they do in either situation is largely based on the ownership. Big market GMs make terrible decisions with all that payroll because the owner expects them to spend it and probably dictate a lot of it. Stearns would probably idiotically spend that extra $100mil like most GMs do/would. If he had money I bet we have Yasmani Grandal and Avisail Garcia. It still takes talent to run a large market team. You still need to be incredibly good at developing talent or it won't matter. You can't fill an entire team in FA nor can you trade for talent with garbage prospects. White Sox can't even make the postseason, the Angels are a perpetual joke with a big payroll, Giants struggle to make the postseason etc.

Only $150,000 to put in my plane after I win the powerball....nice.

If Stearns was the GM, I would be 95% confident either Burnes or Woodruff hits the road out of town. Now that Arnold is the main guy and he will have a new conversation with ownership I am less confident. Attanasio is very fan-like and is one of those owners that legitimately would love to win a World Series. Attanasio has also been proven to be a bit reactionary and emotional over the years. Demanding things like FA signings and signing elite players to long term contracts. He certainly gave the reigns more to Stearns, but he still likely was the one forcing a Yelich extension. After trading Hader and watching the team/fanbase implode, I definitely could see them keeping everyone in tow and trying to make big moves. If I had to guess, I doubt Attanasio (whether Arnold wants to or not) lets one of the aces get traded, UNLESS it is like they tried to do with Fielder when he was near FA...acquire win-now talent in return. Since those trade don't exactly happen outside of MLB: The Show, I am guessing they both return. It would send a brutal message to the fanbase if they traded Hader, the 2022 season imploded, and then they started making it look like a fire sale this winter.

If Stearns was the GM, I would be 95% confident either Burnes or Woodruff hits the road out of town. Now that Arnold is the main guy and he will have a new conversation with ownership I am less confident. Attanasio is very fan-like and is one of those owners that legitimately would love to win a World Series. Attanasio has also been proven to be a bit reactionary and emotional over the years. Demanding things like FA signings and signing elite players to long term contracts. He certainly gave the reigns more to Stearns, but he still likely was the one forcing a Yelich extension. After trading Hader and watching the team/fanbase implode, I definitely could see them keeping everyone in tow and trying to make big moves. If I had to guess, I doubt Attanasio (whether Arnold wants to or not) lets one of the aces get traded, UNLESS it is like they tried to do with Fielder when he was near FA...acquire win-now talent in return. Since those trade don't exactly happen outside of MLB: The Show, I am guessing they both return. It would send a brutal message to the fanbase if they traded Hader, the 2022 season imploded, and then they started making it look like a fire sale this winter.

I don't know how common POBO even are across MLB. They used to barely exist. The Brewers didn't have one until the Mets started harassing the Brewers about Stearns interviews. It varies so much by teams. Sometimes the POBO has nothing to do with actually acquiring players and/or developing them. The POBO really is just in charge of stadium operations and financial stuff. The Mets the GM is top dog, technically from that standpoint. The Brewers really aren't losing anything, imo. The assistant GM will just take over Arnold's job...which they probably were doing in tandem anyway. Arnold won't be POBO unless he is good and teams want to interview him. It is just weird titling. When Stearns became POBO, literally nothing changed. Likewise when Arnold became GM. The real question people should be asking (if it hasn't already been said by Arnold...I haven't heavily followed since the end of the season)....what does this mean for Counsell and the coaching staff?

I think I will remember Stearns as a guy that turned around organizational philosophy on a lot of fronts and made them consistently relevant. However, I am betting I will look back and see a dude that totally wasted half a decade of having 2-3 aces in the rotation. Maybe in ten years one can look back and thank him for laying a foundation for winning a World Series. However, for the goal of winning a world series, I am confident he would have never won one no matter how long he stayed. The early years of competing were massively thanks to being gifted a great situation, great trade chips, and some good prospects that turned into great players. As the years went on he refused to make the team anything more than a WC contender. The cherry on the top being 2022 when he traded one of the most notable players at the deadline and at best tried making a division leading team tread water (in reality replaced Hader with total garbage). He made us a consistent contender, that is impressive. The fanbase is bored with that though...at the end of the day people want to see WS contenders. Stearns wasn't doing that and absolutely nothing he did the last few years gave me any confidence he would change us from a WC contender to WS contender again. Still the best lead guy in franchise history by a lot...and I do think the foundation he laid will be felt for years. It will be interesting to see how they approach all these good players approaching FA while they still can compete. So much of that Hader trade was the pure fact they trade a good player when they were competing, and they flat out didn't do anything to improve the team. To a lot of fans (casual or serious) it looked like they were arguably worse after the deadline. People are bitter and that is with declining attendance/interest as is. This fanbase has been supportive of many stars getting traded...but we were garbage when we did it. It didn't go over to well this time.

I think I will remember Stearns as a guy that turned around organizational philosophy on a lot of fronts and made them consistently relevant. However, I am betting I will look back and see a dude that totally wasted half a decade of having 2-3 aces in the rotation. Maybe in ten years one can look back and thank him for laying a foundation for winning a World Series. However, for the goal of winning a world series, I am confident he would have never won one no matter how long he stayed. The early years of competing were massively thanks to being gifted a great situation, great trade chips, and some good prospects that turned into great players. As the years went on he refused to make the team anything more than a WC contender. The cherry on the top being 2022 when he traded one of the most notable players at the deadline and at best tried making a division leading team tread water (in reality replaced Hader with total garbage). He made us a consistent contender, that is impressive. The fanbase is bored with that though...at the end of the day people want to see WS contenders. Stearns wasn't doing that and absolutely nothing he did the last few years gave me any confidence he would change us from a WC contender to WS contender again. Still the best lead guy in franchise history by a lot...and I do think the foundation he laid will be felt for years. It will be interesting to see how they approach all these good players approaching FA while they still can compete. So much of that Hader trade was the pure fact they trade a good player when they were competing, and they flat out didn't do anything to improve the team. To a lot of fans (casual or serious) it looked like they were arguably worse after the deadline. People are bitter and that is with declining attendance/interest as is. This fanbase has been supportive of many stars getting traded...but we were garbage when we did it. It didn't go over to well this time.

Maybe there isn't interest anymore? As it stands the Brewers PBO =/= Mets PBO, the Mets GM was the top guy for running player decisions when they had a PBO. Eppler led them to 101 wins...is Stearns really worth losing Eppler? I imagine Eppler would tell them to kick rocks and would leave if they hired Stearns to be PBO and handed him the reigns to run day to day player operations. Because #1 that is just downright insulting and #2 he would basically be getting demoted. Demoting your lead guy after leading your franchise to 101 wins seems comical. Sure seems like it makes things more complicated than they need to be. As they say, the grass isn't always greener on the other side. I imagine Stearns is off to have a one-year vacation before going elsewhere...and if the Mets are really the mutual interest...but what if Eppler leads another 100+ win campaign? Would be interesting if a team went and tried to interview Eppler for a PBO job, see what the Mets do. The article explains why you are going to get essentially nothing in a trade. The rules force MLB to allow any team to purchase Stearn's contract. Off course that would set an ugly precedent...so they prefer teams to just work out some random trade so it looks mutual between the teams.

Maybe there isn't interest anymore? As it stands the Brewers PBO =/= Mets PBO, the Mets GM was the top guy for running player decisions when they had a PBO. Eppler led them to 101 wins...is Stearns really worth losing Eppler? I imagine Eppler would tell them to kick rocks and would leave if they hired Stearns to be PBO and handed him the reigns to run day to day player operations. Because #1 that is just downright insulting and #2 he would basically be getting demoted. Demoting your lead guy after leading your franchise to 101 wins seems comical. Sure seems like it makes things more complicated than they need to be. As they say, the grass isn't always greener on the other side. I imagine Stearns is off to have a one-year vacation before going elsewhere...and if the Mets are really the mutual interest...but what if Eppler leads another 100+ win campaign? Would be interesting if a team went and tried to interview Eppler for a PBO job, see what the Mets do. The article explains why you are going to get essentially nothing in a trade. The rules force MLB to allow any team to purchase Stearn's contract. Off course that would set an ugly precedent...so they prefer teams to just work out some random trade so it looks mutual between the teams.