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Regardless. The point remains. Would you rather cash in on Adames alone or attach Yelich to him? Or would you wait to attach Yelich to Burnes/Woody when we inevitably move off them? Or just eat it and deal with him for the next 7 years? The organizational rank is irrelevant for the exercise of the question. Ignore that, if need be. I didn't feel like jumping on BTV for obvious reasons. Simply consider it Adames and Yelich for fliers.

Say the Dodgers lose Turner and then don't sign any of Correa, Bogaerts or Swanson and they are in the market for a SS and they want Adames. Would you rather take a better package for Adames alone (say two top 15 LAD prospects) or a lesser package but we get to attach Yelich's deal (where one top 15 LAD prospect is the headliner and the rest of the package is lottery tickets)?

In no way am I overvaluing the best reliever of the last half decade. I've said this before but gauging a relievers value based on WAR isn't really all that wise since it equates how lucky or unlucky someone has been getting into their formula (FIP, xFIP, BABIP, Strand rate) but the one of the biggest part of being a high leverage reliever is stranding runners (we're seeing this issue present itself with Boxberger this year) and Rogers is has not been good in that department over the last 3 seasons. Plus, WAR for a reliever, who appear less than any other players on the field, that 0.31/season is a pretty large gap, if you choose to use it. Rogers is also a rental, so that should drop his value significantly when talking a piece in a return for someone that still has team control, albeit another season. So just getting Rogers to "replace" Hader isn't a good enough reason to be content with receiving him as part of the package. He was also removed from their closer role prior to the deal so...Also, I don't care about him being "free" or not since we did nothing other than acquire Trevor Rosenthal using that "freed up" money. Quality work. Gasser is a 23 year old pitcher who has never pitched above A ball and profiles as a BOR starter due to his average, if not below, fastball. If anyone calls a 23 year old pitcher with little pedigree, in A+, untouchable, then they probably don't know how prospect development works. He's in AA now. This is where we'll find out what he is. Ruiz is fine but he shouldn't be the headlining piece in a Hader deal. He's a speed first player who has 80 games, in hitter friendly environments, of legitimate production at the plate. He's raised his average and cut down on K's by sacrificing quality contact to be a more low-impact bat and take advantage of his speed. That's fine assuming he can get to the gaps but I have my doubts since you absolutely need to make quality contact vs MLB level pitching. You can get away with it in the minors but that **** doesn't fly in the bigs. From a few weeks ago... And in Ruiz's 27 PA, 22 events, he produced an average exit velocity of 70. That's...uh...not great, bob.

Forget about the evening out the money excuse, we had all the leverage since we're the one trading the asset. If they demand we take a guy back to fill the salary, you just walk away and revisit this offseason. They bungled this deal, in a multitude of ways, and there's no getting around that. We took money back but didn't even get an organizational top 5 prospect from them. Oh and the "prize" of the deal is a OF...the position we're strong at in the minors. Just an absolutely crap show this TDL.

Not sure, but probably because of the slanted way you phrased that. Not slanted in the slightest. It's the truth. Lots of swing and miss in all three bats.

Absolutely beautiful deal. 3 high risk bats and a high risk arm for a cheap, cost controlled all star. How anyone can be mad at that is beyond me.