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I know exactly what you meant by your first sentence, but at least in my opinion, your second sentence really negates the first. baseball-reference actually shows him a little better than what you wrote: .294/.446/.686 (1.132 OPS). Insane how spoiled we are by Yelich when a monthly OPS of 1.132 somehow doesn't seem red-hot, but that would only be his 5th best month since the beginning of 2018. Basically it looks like Yelich needed a few more weeks of spring training, but he's right back to where we would all expect now.

I just want to say thanks to all the people in here not diminishing what he said as if it doesn't matter. Baseball seems at times like a pretty conservative sport, so I can get a little discouraged when stuff like this happens. His apology was woefully insufficient, using the word in a workplace setting is enough to get fired, and the way he used it was a strong indicator of the way he thinks about the LGBTQ+ community. Hate speech has no place on the air, I hope this is the last we hear from this hateful prick who would rather sincerely apologize to his bosses than to the marginalized group that he verbally attacked.

I was just checking that. Today is day 21 of the season, so I'd imagine that yes, Angel Perdomo burned an option this year along with a bunch of others who I have marked.

What is everyone's impression of Lauer? I missed his first start, and only caught the 2nd inning of yesterday's start, when it looked like he was getting insanely unlucky with bloop singles and incredibly squeezed by the ump. It seemed like he just hit the corner on 6 straight pitches that were all called balls before the barrage of hits and runs began. I'd be a little bummed if they pulled him from the rotation so soon, but at the same time I feel like Burnes has earned a shot to stick in the rotation so who knows. Good to have this many good options I guess (although I'm not wild about Anderson at all, Lindblom looks ok but nothing that special so far).

Given how short the season is, and that it may only affect Alex Claudio of all people, I'll probably just leave it as is until the end of the year, but thanks for the resource.

I may be wrong, but isn't there some rule that if you're DFA'd as a result of someone (in this case, Eric Lauer) coming off the COVID IL, you don't pass through waivers? So I think Morin will have to go to Appleton as long as he doesn't have the right to elect free agency (don't know much about Morin's history or if he's been DFA'd before).

Updated main post. Will update again after first options expire 20 days into season. I'm not sure how service time works this year, but Alex Claudio appears to be the only person with options remaining who could hit 5 years service time this year.

I'm right there with you. If Thames and his .851 OPS is deemed not worth $7.5 million, I'm specifically having a hard time seeing them give Shaw $4.7M. Kinda seems like Stearns is in clean house mode this offseason, but do we think he can pull off a major overhaul, or is he up to something else? There's only so many holes you can fill in the offseason when you can't spend $200M. I'm a little concerned that we need a couple starting pitchers, at least one reliever maybe more, a 1B, a 3B, a SS, and a C. That's a lot of holes to fill, we may have to settle for some holes somewhere.

Cut Spangenberg only to pick up Spanberger....

I think there are some discrepancies here that would require more input from someone with more first-hand knowledge. #1 I believe 4th options are only usable in the year they are granted. This means that Knebel's 4th option, if that's what he had, would only be usable in 2017, but he was optioned in 2018 (this was the case with Houser this year, he would've burned that 4th option this year even if he had stayed with the team the entire year). The fact that Knebel was optioned in 2018 seems to suggest he had a regular option year remaining, even though his career history seems to indicate that he would've burned all 3 options in 2014-2016. I did a quick google search and didn't see any stories about Knebel being granted a 4th option, but if you can find one please send it my way (although this would still be confusing, because I believe he should still have lost a 4th option year after 2017 if that's the case). My answer here is that I'm really unsure of what the correct answer is, 1 or 0, for now I will stick with 1. His service time entering the 2020 season will be 4 years and 151 days, so he should reach that 5 year mark pretty quickly, rendering this (mostly) irrelevant, especially since he'll likely hit that 5 year mark starting the year on the IL. #2 Williams may be eligible for a 4th option year, but I'm not going to update that here until we find that out for sure, which would likely be around the start of spring training. #3 I'm a little unclear on how the day count works, but Thames was recalled on his 20th day optioned in 2011, so I'm not sure that he burned an option that year. Having an option left would make sense then that his contract stipulates he cannot be optioned to the Minor Leagues without his permission, which would be unnecessary if he didn't still have a Minor League option. Long story short, I'm going to leave all of these the way they are for now, but thanks for your input. Thank you for your reply. Excuse me, but I think there are no discrepancies in these cases. As a fact, 2019 Brewers media guide shows that Corey Knebel and Eric Thames are both “OPTIONS REMAINING (0)” in their profile pages, and I could explain that is true. #1 At first, a player may be granted 4th option only for that year (as you says) based on his status (burned 3 options within 4 pro seasons), according to Major League Rules MLR11©. I think that if the player granted 4th option is…… (1)optioned for 20 or more days that season, his 4th option is burned and he will be out of option for upcoming seasons, of course. (2)not optioned or optioned for less than 20 days, his 4th option is NOT burned, and he may be granted again next year based on his UPDATED status (usually, one more pro season added). However, if his new status does not satisfy the criteria (within 4 pro seasons), 4th option is no longer granted. I can’t find the source about Corey Knebel’s 4th option, but I believe that… He was granted 4th option for 2017 season based on his status (3 options, 3 pro seasons). He was not optioned in 2017, and he was granted again for 2018 season based on his updated status (4 pro seasons), so he was able to be optioned in 2018. His option days were less than 20 days (option not burned), so granted one more time for 2019? No. He would be no longer granted because his updated status (5 pro seasons) has no longer satisfied the criteria. A similar situation was shown in early days of Rickie Weeks. His 3 options were burned in 2003~2005, 4th option granted for 2006 (not optioned) and again for 2007 (optioned for 9 days, not burned), and probably for 2008 (not optioned). He had completed 5 pro seasons in 2008 and out of option since 2009, his 4th option has never used. Unlike Knebel or Weeks, many players granted 4th option had already completed 4 pro seasons at the time they granted, so they could no longer be granted for next year even if they had spent entire season in majors (not burned), like Junior Guerra in 2017-18. Here is the list of 4th option players edited by me (list is incomplete yet…) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nRo2qO4FDb-ElZb8du-zdkQ3nYFvzsYK2_x2UmdGPDA/edit#gid=1127751973 #3 For amateur researchers like us, it is a little difficult to count option years because the assignment dates reported by media are sometimes different by sources. There are two different reports about Eric Thames’ transaction dates in 2011: (mlb.com, stats.com, rotoworld.com) optioned on June 4, recalled on June 23 (optioned for 19 days, less than 20, option not burned) (espn.com, rotowire.com) optioned on June 3, recalled on June 23 (optioned for just 20 days, option burned) Which one should I believe? His option burned or not burned? Therefore, I think about his major league service time. According to CBA ARTICLE XXI(B), a player optioned for less than 20 days in one season shall be credited with major league service time including his option days. 2019 Brewers media guide shows his service time as 3 years+63 days by 2018, 579 days in other word. Year by year details are 115 days in 2011, 120(2012), 172(2017) and 172(2018), referred to “Cot’s baseball contracts” site. His 115 days in 2011 does not include his option days, much with , which shows his option days as 20 (option burned). If he had been optioned for 19 days (option not burned) as shows, his service time should be 135 days (added his 19 option days and one more active day). So, I believe and conclude that he was burned one option in 2011 (out of option now). Sorry for long, too long reply… I wish this discussion to be useful... Thanks for the info. I will update Knebel to 0. With Thames, it seems like there's still some uncertainty there, although you've made a good case, but since he's unlikely to be optioned anyways given the terms of his contract, I will just mark him at 0 and leave it at that.

I think there are some discrepancies here that would require more input from someone with more first-hand knowledge. #1 I believe 4th options are only usable in the year they are granted. This means that Knebel's 4th option, if that's what he had, would only be usable in 2017, but he was optioned in 2018 (this was the case with Houser this year, he would've burned that 4th option this year even if he had stayed with the team the entire year). The fact that Knebel was optioned in 2018 seems to suggest he had a regular option year remaining, even though his career history seems to indicate that he would've burned all 3 options in 2014-2016. I did a quick google search and didn't see any stories about Knebel being granted a 4th option, but if you can find one please send it my way (although this would still be confusing, because I believe he should still have lost a 4th option year after 2017 if that's the case). My answer here is that I'm really unsure of what the correct answer is, 1 or 0, for now I will stick with 1. His service time entering the 2020 season will be 4 years and 151 days, so he should reach that 5 year mark pretty quickly, rendering this (mostly) irrelevant, especially since he'll likely hit that 5 year mark starting the year on the IL. #2 Williams may be eligible for a 4th option year, but I'm not going to update that here until we find that out for sure, which would likely be around the start of spring training. #3 I'm a little unclear on how the day count works, but Thames was recalled on his 20th day optioned in 2011, so I'm not sure that he burned an option that year. Having an option left would make sense then that his contract stipulates he cannot be optioned to the Minor Leagues without his permission, which would be unnecessary if he didn't still have a Minor League option. Long story short, I'm going to leave all of these the way they are for now, but thanks for your input.

Turns out the Jay Jackson is a free agent as a result of his contract he signed coming back from Japan, so he has been removed from this list. EDIT: Source:

I would not rule out a non-tender of Nelson. He had a few good outings at the end of the season but more or less didn't show the consistency that you'd want to see if you're going to pay him 4-5 million in arbitration. Also, even if he comes back and works out great, he'll be a FA after next season anyways. Not sure the risk of paying him to keep him around is worth the upside, but that depends on how much faith you have in Nelson. If you think he can return to starting next year and be an effective mid-rotation guy, then he's probably worth it for a year. If he's just going to be in the bullpen, there are probably cheaper options that'll give you roughly the same production.

Admin: Please close this thread. I have created a 2020 thread here: viewtopic.php?f=64&t=39133

Now that the 2019 season is over (at least for our team), here is the new thread for tracking Minor League options through the 2020 season. All free agents (or assumed free agents) have been removed. Here's a link to the Brewerfan.net options page: http://www.brewerfan.net/ViewFortyManRoster.do?teamId=1 For more info on Minor League Option Rules: http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/ ... ue-options PITCHERS Brett Anderson - 3* ^Phil Bickford - 2- Ray Black - 0 #Corbin Burnes - 2 Alex Claudio - 1* ^J.P. Feyereisen - 2- Josh Hader - 2 Adrian Houser - 0 Corey Knebel - 0 ^Eric Lauer - 2- Josh Lindblom - 0 Freddy Peralta - 2 ^Angel Perdomo - 2- Drew Rasmussen - 3 Brent Suter - 2 Justin Topa - 3 ^Bobby Wahl - 1- Devin Williams - 3 Brandon Woodruff - 1 Eric Yardley - 3 CATCHERS ^David Freitas - 0- Omar Narvaez - 3 Jacob Nottingham - 0- #Manny Pina - 0 INFIELD Orlando Arcia - 1 Jedd Gyorko - 2* Ryon Healy - 2- Keston Hiura - 2 ^Mark Mathias - 2- Jace Peterson - 0 Eric Sogard - 1* Luis Urias - 2 Daniel Vogelbach - 0 OUTFIELD Ryan Braun - 3* [R]Lorenzo Cain - 1* #Ben Gamel - 1 Avisail Garcia - 2* ^Billy McKinney - 0- ^Corey Ray - 2- Tyrone Taylor - 1- Christian Yelich - 3* ^ Currently optioned to the Minor Leagues # Currently on the Injured List [R] Currently on the Restricted List - Player has already burned option for current year * Player has at least 5 years service time and cannot be optioned without their consent (or player has signed an extension or free agent contract and likely has a clause not allowing a minor league option without player consent) ** Some players are eligible for a 4th option year if they spend an entire option year injured or have burned all 3 options in their first 5 pro years. A 4th option year burns the year it is given even if the player spends the entire year on the Major League roster.

I'm so excited for postseason Suter

I'm so excited for postseason Suter

Somehow my eyes went over Jay Jackson looking at the 40-man this morning but I would've obviously chosen him over D Williams. Anderson over Houser, so Houser probably not ready to pitch today just yet. Instead Anderson moves to bullpen (I suppose Woodruff/Davies/Houser/Lyles would work for an NLDS rotation). And Taylor over Freitas (makes sense, could be a pinch runner). So I was off by a few but not too shabby.

1. Grisham 2. Grandal 3. Moustakas 4. Hiura 5. Braun 6. Thames 7. Cain 8. Woodruff 9. Arcia Other Pitchers: Lyles, Suter, Pomeranz, Hader, Guerra, Claudio, Houser, Peralta, D Williams Bench Bats: Gamel, Perez, Pina, Austin, Spangenberg, Freitas, Shaw Albers might make it over Williams, also not sure if Houser would be ready to pitch an inning today or not, but since they pulled him early the other day, would this be his "bullpen" day?

Saw that one coming...

Might get hairy quick with Blackmon/Arenado/Story coming up next inning. Wonder how long a leash he'd have and who they'd bring in if he gets in trouble. I wonder if they'll avoid Suter today because his soft tossing isn't as much a change of pace after Davies?

Hiura just made an incredible play like an inning before, and that was a tough play and he doesn't have a strong arm. Kid gave it all he had and managed to make a strong throw right on the bag, just a tough hop for Thames. Not going to give him too much crap for that one (I'm not sure he has a strong enough arm for the out if he plants his feet and throws). He's made plenty of horrible throws this year but not gonna lose too much sleep over that one. Great start by Davies. Now give it to Suter for a couple.

Brewers could use some runs today. Davies for 4, Suter for 3, then hopefully they can avoid using Hader/Pomeranz. Peralta/Jackson/Claudio should be good to go. If Hader/Pomeranz have to pitch today, they'll definitely be down tomorrow.

I would struggle with that move personally. He is 2 for 25 in September and has been lost all season. At this point Jeff Cirillo might be a better option! If we have an important PH at bat in a wild card playoff game ... I can't say I'll be excited if Shaw comes to the plate. I hope I'm wrong on every account. He's had some big at-bats for the Brewers over the last two weeks helping us get to the playoffs. His line over the last 14 days is .286/.500/.714/1.214 in 10 plate appearances with 2 hits (1HR), 3 walks, and 3 runs scored. I'm not saying I am totally sold on him being the Shaw of old but at some point, you have to look past the season stats for him and look at what he's doing currently. Today will tell us a bit too. If Shaw makes the playoff roster (which I don't think he will), it'd be for maybe one pinch hit appearance in the Wild Card game, so I'm not sure it makes a huge difference either way. Given that Moose/Thames are already lefties, I'd guess they'd want a righty off the bench and pick Austin instead, who also has done well in a small sample size.

Let's keep rolling. 5 wins to go, plus Cubs just gotta steal one this weekend, and we're headed to Game 163! It's meant to be!