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Looks like I missed that Woodruff was a Super-2 player this year, which means he actually has 3 more years of arbitration after this. I'm not sure that ultimately affects the deal I'd offer him too much though. Maybe drop it by a few million.

I'm not sure if there was a thread about this in the past, but what is everyone's opinion about what kind of extension Stearns should be proposing to Burnes/Woodruff. Woodruff has 2 more years before FA after this year, Burnes has 3 and will hit arbitration for the first time next year. Neither received big signing bonuses from the draft, so they might be a little more likely to give a bit of a team discount in return for a large guaranteed contract. Peralta's deal is obviously below the floor for what you could even begin to consider here, as he was still on the fence between starter/reliever when he signed the deal, but you could at least use his deal as an idea of the length of a contract. Peralta's deal (starting with his arby years): 22: $2.25M, 23: $3.5M, 24: $5.5M, 25/26: $8M club options each (takes Peralta through his age-30 season) This year is Peralta's age-25 season, Burnes 26, Woodruff 28. My assumption would be something like (starting next year for both), a 6-year deal for Burnes and a 5-year deal for Woodruff (with option years on the end). In his 1st arby year, Woodruff is making $3.28M. I'm not great at guessing future arbitration values, but if he continues to be roughly himself (meaning a #2 starter give or take a little), I'd guess those numbers get up to $8M/$12M for years 2/3 (again, I'm terrible at this, someone please correct me if you think I'm way off). For Burnes, I'm trying to use priors as an idea of how high he could go in arbitration next year, and it really all depends on this season. If he's a Cy Young contender 2 years in a row, it's hard to see his first year arby being less than 5 or 6 (Keuchel, fresh off a Cy Young, got $7.25 5 years ago his first time through. Hader got about $4M his first time through as a reliever, and about $7M this year after a slight off year in 2020). Assuming Burnes stays healthy and places in the Cy Young voting again this year, and assuming he stays good the next 2 years after, I'd just really roughly estimate his arby numbers at $6M/$10M/$14M. If Burnes/Woodruff manage to get to free agency without signing extensions, I'd imagine they could draw $20-30M AAV contracts. A deal that might serve as a decent comp: Blake Snell (before 2019 season, age 26): 5 years, $50M (just before his last pre-arb season) For Woodruff, my proposal would be: 22: 6M, 23: 10M, 24: 12M, 25: 14M, 26: 15M, 27 (opt): 16M, Total: 5 years, $57M (up to 6/$73M) For Burnes: 22: 4M, 23: 6M, 24: 8M, 25: 12M, 26: 14M, 27: 16M, 28 (opt): 18M, Total: 6 years, $60M (up to 7/$78M) What do you all think? Too high? Too low? Too long? Not long enough? Possible to get done with the season already started, or are we just going to have to watch and enjoy this year and watch the price goes up as they continue to pitch well?

Quick hook for Yardley, but this is probably just the beginning of the shuffle. Probably wanted a fresh arm for the series.

If you're trying to get Hiura going, batting in front of Yelich makes sense. Glad to see Cain back in there.

Added Boxberger (0 options left), Weigel and Sobotka (1 option left each at start of 2021).

Options and IL have been set for the beginning of the season. All optioned players will burn an option if they stay down through April 20th.

Omar Narvaez, Luke Maile, and Orlando Arcia all have over 4 years of service time heading into the 2021 season. Once they reach 172 days on their 5th year of service time, they can no longer be optioned without their consent. All 3 have options remaining so this case is relevant for all of them. Details: Maile: 4 years, 99 days (needs 73 more days, 6/12/21 assuming he is on the roster from the start of the season) Narvaez: 4 years, 89 days (needs 83 more days, 6/22/21 assuming he is on the roster from the start of the season) Arcia: 4 years, 47 days (needs 125 more days, 8/3/21 assuming he is on the roster from the start of the season)

Technically, most of this thread isn't true yet. We've got plenty of time to add Cain back to the restricted list if he doesn't play next year.

This thread can be closed. 2021 thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=64&t=39966

Alright moving this over to a new thread for 2021. This thread is for tracking Minor League options through the 2021 season. Free agents will be removed once they have been officially released. Here's a link to the Brewerfan.net options page: http://www.brewerfan.net/ViewFortyManRoster.do?teamId=1 For more info on Minor League Option Rules: http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/ ... ue-options PITCHERS Brett Anderson - 3* Aaron Ashby - 2- ##John Axford - 2* ^Alec Bettinger - 2- Brad Boxberger - 0 Corbin Burnes - 2 #Jake Cousins - 3 ##John Curtiss - 1 ^Dylan File - 2- Jandel Gustave - 1 Josh Hader - 2 Adrian Houser - 0 Eric Lauer - 1- Hoby Milner - 1- Daniel Norris - 1* Freddy Peralta - 2 ##Angel Perdomo - 1- Colin Rea - 1 ^Miguel Sanchez - 2- Hunter Strickland - 0 Brent Suter - 2 ##Justin Topa - 3 #Devin Williams - 3 Brandon Woodruff - 1 ^Eric Yardley - 2- CATCHERS ^Mario Feliciano - 2- ^Luke Maile - 0- Omar Narvaez - 3* Manny Pina - 0 INFIELD Willy Adames - 1 Eduardo Escobar - 0 ^Keston Hiura - 1- ##Mark Mathias - 2 Jace Peterson - 0 ^Pablo Reyes - 1- Rowdy Tellez - 0- Luis Urias - 2 Daniel Vogelbach - 0 Kolten Wong - 3* OUTFIELD Jackie Bradley, Jr. - 0 Lorenzo Cain - 1* Avisail Garcia - 2* ^Corey Ray - 1- Tyrone Taylor - 0- Christian Yelich - 3* ^ Currently optioned to the Minor Leagues # Currently on the 10-day Injured List (or the 7-day Concussion Injured List) ## Currently on the 60-day Injured List [bCRP] Currently on the Bereavement/COVID/Restricted/Paternity List - Player has already burned option for current year * Player has at least 5 years service time and cannot be optioned without their consent (or player has signed an extension or free agent contract and likely has a clause not allowing a minor league option without player consent) ** Some players are eligible for a 4th option year if they spend an entire option year injured or have burned all 3 options in their first 5 pro years. A 4th option year burns the year it is given even if the player spends the entire year on the Major League roster.

I'm here for the Woodruff/Hader combined shutout, then Suter coming back tomorrow and throwing a couple perfect innings on our way to winning game 3!

This thread is pretty much done for the season. No players are left that could still burn an option. After the season is over, I'll start up the 2021 thread.

This is a garbage season with no real precedent. I'd have to see another full season of this before I'd even begin to worry about Hiura's hitting. His fielding is....also garbage, he really needs to work on that. He's still very young. I'd hate to go back and see what everyone here had to say about Burnes/Peralta over the last 2 seasons. Young players need time to develop at the Major League level too, guys.

Apologies if this has been discussed somewhere but who is the last CYA winner to be removed from the rotation midseason for any period of time? Has that ever happened?

Devin Williams was a 1st round draft back and Rasmussen was too before a physical discovered an injury. They are hardly "non-top prospects". Thus the "If." We don't know the return, but I would expect to get back pieces similar in value to how those guys were viewed at their lowest or at least low-end of their minor league value curve. Perhaps a Caden Lemons type(s), who despite being drafted high has never been a "top prospect". Anyway, it's kind of a silly discussion about semantics literally over PTBNLs. You're going to be very disappointed if you're expecting three high draft picks from this deal.

This makes perfect sense. Push financial decisions forward a few years, wait for more certainty.

So a proven set up man for three or four pitchers who will amount to nothing. I hate this quantity over quality crap. Stearns could've got a hundred low level pitchers in the trade, but 100 x 0 is still zero. If Devin Williams and Drew Rasmussen were considered "low level" non-top prospect types 2-3 years ago, I'd be happy to keep trading for arms like that. Devin Williams was a 1st round draft back and Rasmussen was too before a physical discovered an injury. They are hardly "non-top prospects".

So a proven set up man for three or four pitchers who will amount to nothing. I hate this quantity over quality crap. Stearns could've got a hundred low level pitchers in the trade, but 100 x 0 is still zero. It's insane to me that you'd write off this trade when the last one of these we made got us Freddy Peralta. Clearly, percentage chance of any of these guys hitting is not 0.

Everyone is tradeable because they have 6 months to sort out the "named later" part. So I'm guessing they already decided on names, but the names won't be official until after the season is over.

Typical Stearns move, quantity over "quality". Worked pretty well with Freddy Peralta...

Given he's relatively cheap next year and has been pretty great this year, I'm hoping they got something good for him.

Guessing that any package from the Yankees that doesn't start with Dominguez is a non-starter for Stearns.

Added Jace Peterson, he has 0 options remaining.

Just to be clear. It's not ok to use that word in any context. It's not the right of straight people to reappropriate that word just so they can use it and pretend it isn't hurtful or somehow benign or detached from its original meaning. Brennaman's context obviously makes the usage even worse, but saying it at all was grounds for firing. I'll step away from this thread now, because I think trying to debate/discuss something like this is kind of pointless. We should all know this is wrong, we should all know that society has finally gotten to the place where we won't stand for crap like this anymore, no exceptions.