SeaBass

It's funny how when the team struggles to score runs the spotlight starts shining on JBJ again. The entire lineup is struggling, it ain't just him. He's the same guy that's been playing during the 16-4 stretch of games, the only difference is now that the hitters that were hitting aren't we need a scapegoat again. #FireHaines

Not a good outing for Boxberger. Be nice if the Brewers hadn't forgotten how to hit so they didn't need to play extras.

I see the Bucks are back to playing their "greatest" hits.

I have to admit I'm a little curious about Bortles. That curiosity could easily die a quick death in preseason but I could see the Packers doing something similar to what the Dolphins did last season using Fitzpatrick the first few games and then transitioning to Tua. It would be nice to keep the team in a position to win, unless they prefer to tank hard for a better pick anyway. I just feel the team is somewhat stacked to win this year and putting it all on Love's shoulders right out of the gate might not be the best thing. Again, just a curiosity, I'm not looking to watch the world burn. Being angry at Aaron is fine if that floats your boat but I still want to see what the team is capable of.

I think they know that this game is do or die with game 6 going back to Milwaukee so whatever level of being careful with Harden they were working under went out the window with Irving going down. They pretty much have to try to play Harden because there's nothing to lose if they don't feel they can win without him.

I'm in the patience game. I'm really not against trading him but I'd like him back for this season more than a trade. Even saying they've come up short the last couple seasons with him doesn't sway me because he's still by far their best option for a Super Bowl this year. I am all about trading him before next season though. Maybe a Super Bowl win could move me off that stance but I'm just about ready to move to the next step towards this team's future.

Gutierrez approaching 50 pitches already. This is still very much a ballgame.

Lauer looks like a better hitter than pitcher honestly, he passes the eye test I mean.

Lauer is just not my tempo.

Chalk another HR up for the Michelin Man.

Technically true and wins are wins, we're counting wins against bad teams for the Brewers after all, but 7 of the Reds' last 8 wins have come against the Cardinals, who have lost something like 11 of their last 13 games and the Rockies, who are about as bad as the Pirates. They did win one game against the Brewers in the middle of that. That stretch of wins essentially got them to .500. Right…..I just don’t think there is a big gap between the Brewers and the Reds……especially when we are running out our worst starters. Also almost certainly without Hader and possibly Williams tonight. I'm not super confident about Lauer and Anderson myself but the Reds pitching doesn't scare me very much, hopefully the bats help us out. Lauer not off to a great start here either...

Technically true and wins are wins, we're counting wins against bad teams for the Brewers after all, but 7 of the Reds' last 8 wins have come against the Cardinals, who have lost something like 11 of their last 13 games and the Rockies, who are about as bad as the Pirates. They did win one game against the Brewers in the middle of that. That stretch of wins essentially got them to .500.

Per the new CBA if Rodgers does not show up to play he is fined $50k per day from the beginning of training camp to the start of the season, if he remains a hold out he forfeits game checks and does not accrue service time or advance his contract. The Packers will still have him on a 3 year contract until he reports to the team and takes his roster spot with the intention to be available to play. He does not have the option to report and refuse to play either, that is treated the same as a hold out. He can officially retire, if he's going to go that route it will likely occur before the beginning of training camp so that he can avoid the $50k per day fines and save approx. $2 million total in fines. If he does not retire first and instead holds out it might be a signal that he does plan to report but will wait several days, but even if he wanted to hold out all of training camp he could retire to avoid the fines and then apply for reinstatement before the regular season starts, so it doesn't make much sense for him to not retire if he plans to hold out of training camp for any real length of time, say beyond 10 days or so.

I haven't seen anyone in the media suggest that if the Packers wait that their return will be any less but I've seen multiple people talk about the Packers waiting and getting the same or better value due to more teams being involved. If you have sources that have backed up your theory that he'd lose value I'd be interested to see them. How am I supposed to have a "source" for something that is entirely hypothetical? Can you post your sources for the contrary that suggest they can get better by waiting? I'd be happy to read them and be opening to examining my own viewpoints to see if there are flaws in my logic based on their logic and journalistic reputation. This is uncharted territory without much precedent, but again, my logic is based on the following. 1) The trading team, who presumably is playing for a championship, now has one less year with Aaron Rodgers to do so. That matters. That negatively affects his value. 2) There is less certainty, especially as an aging QB, that Aaron Rodgers will be able to maintain an MVP level of play 2 years removed from his 2020 season than there is right now. GMs aren't dumb. They know perfectly well that the guy they trade for at this time next year might not be the same guy that was here in 2020. 3) Markets fluctuate. It is a sellers QB market right now, and we saw that with Stafford. We can't just assume it'll be another sellers market next summer. I also don't buy for a second that the market for Rodgers won't be robust because teams are already set at QB for 2021. There is still a full training camp ahead for every team. Just because the Broncos are the only team we've heard about doesn't mean squat. If Gute makes Aaron Rodgers available, plans will change and teams will call. Of course you're right everything is speculation right now, I suppose looking at the position the Packers have taken it doesn't seem to me they're in any hurry to trade Rodgers. So I'll ask you if you think the Packers will trade him this season if Rodgers holds out or retires? Not whether you think it's better but are they giving you that vibe? I have a couple videos of the Rich Eisen show that are interesting listens, this one from Wednesday with Andrew Brandt talks about his view of when the Packers trade Rodgers but he doesn't talk about value. Clip just talking about a trade from a front office perspective: Full Brandt interview, the whole thing is pretty interesting really: And this one Thursday with Rob Demovsky talking about how Love has looked in OTAs, around the 8:00 mark is where they talk about Rodgers. I'm pretty much standing with my belief that the Packers want Rodgers back first and foremost, and this might be the most likely result, but in my opinion if he retires they let him sit out the season before trading him in 2022. It just feels like that's where this is aimed right now and I really don't think they lose any value or if they do it's not a vast decrease in returned value and they are ok with that.

I haven't seen anyone in the media suggest that if the Packers wait that their return will be any less but I've seen multiple people talk about the Packers waiting and getting the same or better value due to more teams being involved. If you have sources that have backed up your theory that he'd lose value I'd be interested to see them.

Lol Vogelbach runs like Fred Flintstone.

I love that man!

I think I have said it before but I feel like there is zero chance Rodgers sits out the season, if the relationship is broken beyond repair he will be traded maybe as you say it drags to the trade deadline but I doubt it. I just don't see how it benefits the Packers to make him sit out the season and I don't buy that his trade value will be as high a year from now as it is now. Why does is make so much sense for the Packers to wait? It would be a massive distraction on their season and in the end their bottom line. I think it comes down to who are the buyers if they trade now, Denver and who else? Sure maybe Denver still comes up with an offer that gives the Packers what they want, anything's possible, but I'm convinced that if they wait there's more buyers to choose from and maybe get better quality picks. If Denver gets the whole season with Rodgers their 1st round pick in '22 is not likely to be a high round pick, if you deprive Denver a good QB they likely have a worse record and are still highly motivated to acquire Rodgers after the season along with several other teams. Also, why does his trade value go down? That's ridiculous. I also don't buy the distraction angle because that's already a reality. None of it is going away just because he gets traded, in fact it keeps playing out in real time as the world watches him play on another team.

Yeah I doubt he does it consciously, it's hard to stop an instinctive action. Hey Narvy comes through. Keep chipping away boys.

Some classic little league defense there, pity there wasn't anyone on base.

Nope, you gotta remember we're playing [sarcasm]one of the best teams in baseball, the Pittsburgh Pirates.[/sarcasm]

I think it's almost a certainty that Rodgers will either be playing for the Packers this season or playing for nobody. Earliest he gets traded is the trade deadline or, more likely, after the season. It just makes too much sense from the Packers' standpoint to wait.

The Brewers have been regularly scoring 5, 6, and 7 runs over the last 3ish weeks but they haven't scored more than 7 since May 23rd. How about a snowman in June fellas?

Every time we play the Pirates there seems to be a moment where I think how are these guys so bad except against us?

That makes my head hurt. I was off by one actually, for some reason I thought they'd gotten 4 consecutive runs off walks but it was only 3.