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  1. That's a lot of words. It's like you don't realize that piggybacks and tandems have been done before. They have and with great results. Wait. And See. #Iknowsomethingyoudontknow #sticksouttongue
  2. There are still so so many 2B with versatility still available. With the way the Brewers can cover for defense, they have their pick of the litter who can produce the desired results with the bat. I see no reason they have to overpay in years or dollars. Good possibility of getting someone at 1 year for low dollars. That will leave budget room to upgrade elsewhere either before or during the season.
  3. Just waiting for the report that the Brewers have been talking to Grandal.
  4. It only temporary so he can continue playing ball while being close to his home in Nashville. He'll be back in the Brewers organization in some media capacity when he's done pitching.
  5. I keep hearing the Astros connected to Realmuto as well.
  6. His name is Claudio, not Claudino Fixed, thanks. I have to chalk up my proclivity to add extra letters to names to my pops. Thanks Dad!
  7. It's not about being above reproach. That would only matter if he was expected to be perfect. From fairly hopeless 3 years ago to on the doorstep of the World Series means the Brewers have the right person in charge. This is all about having more thoughtful reactions. It's about taking a moment to realize how often those snap reactions are wrong. Then realizing that the "why" is probably due to our massively less informed opinions. And finally it's about what we'd all hope would be every individual's personal desire not to look foolish at the end of the day.
  8. So you want us to stop sharing opinions that differ with yours? If we can no longer react to transactions, game time management decisons, etc., then we may as well shut the forums down. Funny that you answered as though it was directed at you. My comments are all about avoiding the knee-jerk "this is a terrible move, this guy is no good!" comments. We had people digging up very insightful numbers following the Claudio trade. We heard about how the Rangers lack of shifts really hurt Claudio's numbers. We had someone post his impressive ranks among relievers over the past 3 years. We had someone post a very interesting article about the collection of different throwing motions the Brewers are targeting including Claudio. That's what any forum needs more of. Not an abundance of knee-jerk, uninformed reactions. This has nothing to do with whether someone shares my opinion or yours. It's about getting to the bottom of why these moves are being made and giving everyone a better understanding behind them. "This is a terrible trade" posts do nothing to add to this forum.
  9. Still sensing these connections made are simple due diligence and the Brewers will wind up with a bargain. They literally check in on just about everyone. If a Lowrie or Dozier come really cheap on a 1-year deal, great. In the end it still feels like either Dietrich or Cabrera come on cheap 1 year deals. Both of their bats play perfectly and their shared deficiency (defense) is covered by the positioning the Brewers do better than anyone else.
  10. They're already looking at more data than we are and soon will have even more at their disposal due to these non-payroll investments. Just another reminder for those susceptible to knee-jerk reactions and criticisms based an a 5 minute look at a few stats. It's harder for us to dissect the reasoning or upside behind their moves but I wouldn't trade our GM for anyone. I'm thrilled that the Brewers are at the forefront of so many new technologies and types of analysis. It may not be as fun for arm chair GMs but unless you want to come out looking wrong or foolish on a frequent basis, you're better off tempering your reactions to team transactions.
  11. This is why I don't think they go with any set piggybacks. That is - I don't think there will be a set IOG who is always matched with the same long man. Getting away from a set 5-man is one of the advantages so why counter with anything rigid. Woodruff could be the IOG one day and then 2-3 days later he could follow a lefty. Not only are you limiting trips through the order by one pitcher, you're also allowing yourself to dictate matchups.
  12. Thanks for posting, I was coming here to share this. They touch upon how the Brewers are valuing and flat out targeting pitchers who give different looks. They want to make batters face pitches coming from different planes, angles, sides, etc as often as possible. Limiting repeat looks in every way possible. Not only limiting batters to 1-2 consecutive ABs vs one pitcher at most, but also have said pitcher followed to the mound by someone with a dramatically different look. And then there's this... Sound like anyone we have under control for years to come whose initials are FP who is not going anywhere anytime soon? The Brewers exploring this angle (no pun intended) is just so damn exciting.
  13. I'm pretty sure you're using a theoretical approach and not factoring in anything that could potentially cause issues. Theory and practice are wildly different. Right it's going to take time. But to deny that it's going to figure very prominently in 2019 is ignoring what's already underway. You can't turn over an entire pitching staff overnight. They did let 2 LH specialists walk though. And they spent some rather valuable draft capital to replace them with a guy whose only plus over them is his ability to cover more innings. That move alone should be a big clue as to how they plan to utilize their staff.
  14. It's pretty easy to pinpoint why it's tough to nail down an exact blueprint for how this will all look in 2019. Because it's going to take time to implement. Pieces like a Matt Albers don't fit into this future model. 1 inning guys and specialists are around today but they won't be used that way in the future. But Albers has a guaranteed year left on his deal. Jennings and Cedeno didn't. As I said in "The Future of Pitching", you're not going to cap off present day's Max Scherzer at 4 innings. But as time passes, they way pitchers are developed prior to getting to the majors, the idea of a 35 start, 200+ inning pitcher will no longer exist. 2019 won't fit into a precise model. But I can, and will go so far as to state for the record, that the Brewers will utilize tandems/piggybacks to cover some percentage of what would typically be considered an every 5th day rotation. That's happening. Come April you will not see 5 rigid names listed as projected starters when you look at a schedule. You won't see it in May. You won't see it in June, You won't see it in July...
  15. It's very clear to me that you're not understanding what I'm saying while others are. And that's fine.
  16. Brewer starters have thrown just TWO complete games under Counsell since he was named manager on May 4, 2015 - one by Taylor Jungmann on 7/11/15, and the other by Jimmy Nelson on 6/18/17 Complete games thrown by all MLB starters: 2015 - 104 2016 - 83 2017 - 59 2018 - 42 The number of complete games in all of MLB has been drastically declining as well during Counsell's tenure, but the Brewers have been WAY below average in that department Exactly. It's not that the Brewers haven't been capable of getting a complete game out of someone. It's that Counsell isn't going to let them happen by design. Not because he wouldn't love to have one. But because he's not going to take the risk required to make one possible. He knows how bad the numbers are the 3rd time through (2nd for some) for these guys so they don't get the chance.
  17. With the pairings subject to change, yes. And not necessarily with the designated paired pitcher immediately following the IOG. Yesterday I hypothesized sandwiching Claudino in-between a hard throwing IOG and another hard throwing IOG-type. Something like this... Burnes for 3-4 innings - Claudino for 1-2 innings - Woodruff for 3-4 innings. And Burnes and Woodruff (or any other pairing) could have their roles in reverse the next time out. I haven't even begun to study which pairings might be most effective together.
  18. Diplan is on the 40-man so I included him as a possible shuttle option as the season progresses. He could very easily be in the mix in the 2nd half. The big question would be do they go the tandem route or the piggyback route. That's why I haven't settled on using one term or the other. Do they go set tandems where one guy is the initial out getter on a Monday and then his tandem partner is the IOG on Friday with flip-flopping based on matchups? Hypothetical: On Monday Woodruff is the IOG with Guerra matched with him. And on Friday Guerra is the IOG with Woodruff slated to follow at some point. Or do they piggyback where the IOGs stay the same and they are supplemented with designated long men matched with them? Hypothetical: Guerra is the IOG on Monday and Friday , capped at 3-4 innings, and Woodruff is pitches multiple innings behind him on both Monday and Friday. My personal opinion is that it will be tandems with the IOG constantly in flux depending on dictating matchups with the opposing batting order.
  19. It's a staff comprised of 7-8 pitchers traditionally thought of as starters and supplemented primarily by multiple inning relievers. And as others have pointed out, it's supplemented by shuttled players in waiting at AAA. Initial Out Getters (IOG), Tandem Pairs, and/or Piggyback Partners Chacin Burnes Peralta Woodruff Nelson Anderson Guerra Davies Mid-to-Late Game Out Getters - One Time Through Multiple Inning Guys Hader Knebel Jeffress Claudino That's 12. A guy like Albers if not moved, will be around for the remaining year of his deal and would be the one pitcher still used in short stints. He'd make 13. Still leaves people like Barnes, Williams, Houser, Wilkerson, Diplan shuttle in from AAA. And that's also before adding a single IOG via free agency or trade. I have to believe they'd like to add a LH IOG. If a Miley or the like is brought in, then you take one of the top 8 and stash in AAA or one of them might go out in a trade for an IOG. And there's no guarantee that Nelson is ready out of the gates. The team might not even want him to be. An IOG or one of the guys on the list currently ticketed for AAA could be who ends up in that IOG/Tandem/PB group.
  20. You just named 1 starter. This is the solution for teams when they don't have 5 guys to do the same. I don't know how many times people have to re-state that for you. It's a fun debate but there's no point belaboring things. We'll see come April.
  21. Says the guy who literally just said this... "In 2018 our bullpen was constantly overworked and we seemed to often be in situations where we only had 2 or 3 guys able to pitch on a certain days. We lost quite a few games because we had to leave certain guys in to eat innings." If limiting the length of our starters caused the problems you "seem" to think were there, how did this team win 96 games and compile those pitching ranks? In 2018 the Brewers were already actively utilizing short hooks even when "starters" were cruising. And I'll share a secret - it wasn't because Craig Counsell was going off hunches.
  22. Agreed and from the looks of things they're working on that depth by eliminating the short stint, 1-2 batter guys from the staff. When you have a Woodruff, Burnes, or Peralta at your disposal to come into the game for the 7th and finish things off, then it allows more off days for the likes of Jeffress and Knebel.
  23. Seemed? The Brewers 96 regular season wins and NL pitching ranks "seem" to suggest the pitchers were used to just about absolute maximum effectiveness given the likes of the rotation arms they trotted out there. I don't know how anyone could look at 2018 and think the usage of the bullpen early and often didn't yield about the best results possible. And in 2019 the team is shaping things up to have even more options to spread and cover more innings. And statistically that's the best thing they could possibly be attempting.
  24. Another great point, thanks long ball. Every initial out getter doesn't need to be in a tandem or piggybacked. If you acquire a Kluber and continue to get 5 good innings out of a Chacin, then you complement that with 3 tandems. Even Chacin was essentially piggybacked, just not with a designated mate. And if you're a small market and never come up with the means to have any TOR-type workhorses, you don't throw up your arms and trot out a traditional 5-man rotation and call on guys to do something they'll fail at. As good as we like to think our Ben Sheets of past was, or our Burnes, Woodruff can be - they turn into average pitchers, if not worse, when they go through a lineup a 2nd time - SO FAR. They key is cutting these guys off when the data shows those lose effectiveness. And the Rays leading ERA shows the results of limiting exposure. That's not saying someone like Burnes can't become a stand-alone, every 5th day guy. It just means you maximize his effectiveness even if he doesn't.
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