Brewers were predicted to win 77-86 (exceeding expectations by 10-19 games) Braves were predicted to win 72-80 (exceeding expectations by 10-18 games) Brewers division lived up to expectations and was very tough. Braves division fell apart, all teams other than the Braves would have finished 5 (or 6th) in the central. Voters just forgot about what teams were actually predicted to do, didn't consider the competition, and didn't know or pay attention to how games were actually managed. Maybe Baseball-Reference or Fangraphs can come up with a managerial WAR stat. So the players are responsible for expectations and the manager is responsible for anything over that? I mean I don't even know how to rate managers...there are so many variables and reasons a manager is good. It doesn't shock me someones opinion had Counsell outside the Top 3. This isn't like the MVP where finding the best and ranking them is much easier. It comes down to two questions. 1) Given the quality of the players, how well did the manager convert that talent into wins. 2) How much better (or worse) is each player due to the influence of the manager? Question 1 can be somewhat assessed based on projections and simulations. Question 2 has two elements a) how often was a player put in the best chance to succeed (e.g. L-R split advantages, facing batters 3 times, etc), and b) What intangible influences did a manager have on a player's performance (calming influence during streaks, creating a positive clubhouse atmosphere, strategic use of days off, etc). The last one is almost impossible to ascertain, but it seems like many writers are using guesses about it to judge MotY voting. It may not be shocking, but it doesn't seem like the best way to vote. While the mWAR suggestiion was somewhat in jest, it seems something could be calculated based on 1 and 2a above, so there would at least be an objective starting point for MotY discussions.