In fairness, looking at career stats is not always a real effective way to judge the caliber of a pitcher Slobber, I wasn't actually referring to your stats (sorry, I didn't make that clear). It was more a blanket statement regarding people judging players on long careers, when what really matters is recent history. Example: Greg Maddux is one of the best pitchers of all time, but the last few years, and he has been no better than the Suppans of the league. If you advocate signing Maddux, you better realize you are getting the very average pitcher and not the Hall of Famer. In terms of Suppan, you are getting a slightly above average starting pitcher IMO, and not the below average pitcher that his "career" stats would indicate. Still, thanks for the updated stats.