[ Different strokes, different folks. I'm not about to rip anyone for what they like, crappy or not. You don't like Ratt? Your loss ] Actually, Out of the Cellar was my 2nd cassette tape, when I was about 8 years old (I think). I tease, because it's fun... And I take the teasing back, because I know there's all kinds of crap that I like that's ridiculous. And yes, leather pants and poofy bangs on dudes are ridiculous. I don't think you would debate that.