Turbo you are just quicker on the uptake than I am. It seems like every fan thinks their team has the worst manager in baseball. Pads fans thought Bochy was the worst; I saw a lot of Pads games without caring too much if they won or not and I thought he was fine. They fired him and the next guy was worse. There are situations where it is arguable either way and the manager gets it wrong and it is frustrating when they get it wrong more often than not but mostly it's just second guessing and it can get annoying when the criticism is relentless. But, the tipping point for me is when a manager gets it wrong, then does the exact same thing again when it is even clearer it's wrong. For Yost it was a game where he had a struggling Obermeuller bat with the bases loaded twice in the same game and both times he stranded the runners and then got bombed the next inning. The first time maybe you need to think about saving your bullpen but the second time you are deeper in the game with a guy who has already given up 6 or 8 runs so it's just stupid. Tonight is the Roenicke tipping point for me. Parra is tailormade for long stints in extras as long as he's on. Yes I can see pinchhitting for him in extras even though he's on, although it was the wrong spot to do it in that Giants game, but pulling him tonight when you've got a DH after a strong 9 pitch inning? Unless Parra goes on the DL tomorrow, no excuse. Based on what happened with Yost, Roenicke will be the manager for at least another year after it's completely clear he's incompetent. I've tried for months to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I can't do it anymore. So I have to be a turborickey disciple.