Ok Joe have it your way. Hardy is average. Always was always will be and no matter what anyone else says Escobar will be considered average until he gets to the majors and proves otherwise. Happy now? You know some of those same people also said Fielder had a little bit of power and Braun was a pretty good hitter. Just because they may have overhyped Hardy's defense a bit doesn't mean every other evaluation they make is wrong.