i think this is a tough one. you have to differentiate between guys we know juiced (through admission or positive tests) and those who we suspect. i think mcgwire is the latter. though his "i am not here to talk about the past" thing and his dealings with andro (which was legal at the time) make us think one way, he has never physically admitted to using illegal steroids. this becomes a question of who you believe. lots of people want to say that barry bonds or another slugger was on steroids, but will we ever have empirical evidence? probably not? what do we do with those guys? assume or give them the benefit of the doubt? EDIT: posted at the same time as the last one. do we know for sure...at least as sure as we know about pete rose? rose admitted, mcgwire has not officially admitted. we all have our thoughts. then it becomes a he said - he said fiasco. who to suspect and who not to it seems obvious about mcgwire, but what about guys who are not as obvious?