I think when comparing MM to Sean Payton you have to look beyond the side to side resumes, especially when both had HOF level QBs. Look at what Payton has been able to turn Taysom Hill into. That's a big individual win. Is anyone really convinced that Hill would be doing anything more than holding a clipboard if he were here and McCarthy was the HC? Look at how well the Saints' performed with Bridgewater when Brees was out. That's another big individual win for Payton. Part of the problem with McCarthy is that his supposed strength was that of a QB guru, and every time he got a chance to prove himself as such and show the world that this was his team, not Aaron Rodgers', he failed miserably. I can give him a pass for 2013, when they also lost Wallace. They had to call in Matt Flynn and somehow still stumbled to a division title at 8-7-1. So I can give him a pass for that. But when Rodgers' again was lost to a broken collarbone, McCarthy told anyone who would listen that he had years invested in Brett Hundley, and the QB room was exactly where it needed to be. He had a lot of his reputation staked in Brett Hundley, and that was a pretty massive failure for him. It doesn't define his entire career, but it was his chance to step out of the shadow of Aaron Rodgers and prove that he could bring his own things to the table offensively for the Packers, and he failed. I think that was probably the beginning of the end for the relationship between McCarthy and Rodgers as it most likely extinguished the already lowered respect that Rodgers had for his HC, and Rodgers no longer saw MM as anyone but a man riding his coattails for the past decade.