Not sure what it counts as or why it was brought up as a run producer, but it is pretty way off from what I was getting at anyway. We need to look at the potential success of making contact rather than the avoidance of DPs. I hate hitting into DP's as much as anyone else and I don't mind seeing a Sheets/Ohka strikeout in a 1 out bases loaded situation.....but for an average hitter, I want to see them make some contact and hit a sac fly, single, or just about anything (as I'm sure everyone is).....K's are better than DPs, but nothing to be happy about. So my point was that potential success and runs produced are way WAY WAY lower for a K. Contact has the potential to produce many more runs and I want to do whatever gives us more potential runs. Of course I did forget the dropped 3rd strike, but that's only when 1st base is open so that's really not a DP type of situation anyway.