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Still you'd think there'd be something additional about a teacher/student relationship along the lines of psychiatrist/patient regardless of age. Yeah -- This is a great point, and sort of where my head is at. Obviously it is legal in NC, with the different consent age. Actually most states are at 16. Wisconsin is in the minority at 18 -- however most federal laws seem to support an age of consent to be at 18. Some states have 14, as well as Canada. I guess the 16/40 relationship doesn't bother me that much as it is legal in most states. What does bother me though, is if this coach/teacher abused his position of authority.

To follow up with what TC had said -- I believe the Brewers brain trust is going to let Gallardo pitch "X" amount of innings -- where X has very little variance -- that said -- I am pretty sure I would rather see Gallardo pitch those innings in Milw. rather than Nashville. Gallardo would be hard pressed to provide better results than Vargas, but I think he is a better pitcher than Bush or Vargas, furthermore I think YG is better than any pitcher not named Sheets or Cordero -- that is to say, that I am pretty happy with him pitching in the BP or starting. If he has 100 (or so) more innings left in him for 2007, I'd rather see those at the MLB level.

It looked great, but it really wasn't that wearable... kept getting caught on stuff and scratching stuff. Yeah -- especially if you have babies in your future. Generally speaking you don't want to scratch the babies. When you count all the diaper changes, baths, feedings, etc.. and all the times the ring comes off, you are asking for it to get lost. Fortunately my wife never lost hers, but we had some really hairy moments where we thought it was lost.

I'd sacrifice size for pleasure anyday. But would she?? I bought my wife a cheap ring when we got married -- we were quite young -- I upgraded her ring when we got to our 6th anniversary, and plan to do it on our sixteenth as now I am pulling down more payroll, and our kids are older so there is no diaper duty, and that sort of thing. I certainly would not let it hamstring you. My advice is this -- If she wants to pick it out, let her. If she wants you to pick it out, then you should do it.

In all fairness -- there probably should be: 4.) Wants to be picked. I would think that a lot of managers would rather tend to other things than coach in the AS game.

It was only going to get you attacked for having memory bias in favor of Bush, even though you were simply using that as an addendum to a very good post. Ennder certainly makes and presents his case in a very compelling way. If I were Dave Bush, I certainly would want Ennder to be working for my agent http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif proves as much as possible statistically What does this mean? -- Does it indicate a ceiling/limitation of statistical analysis, or do you intend this clause to indicate that it has been proven that Bush is just unlucky. I am not trying to to be a smart-ass, rather get a better understanding.

I like the Oracle/teammates feature -- where you can link teammates in a seven degrees of Kevin Bacon way. For example Babe Ruth played with Lefty Gomez for the 1934 New York Yankees Lefty Gomez played with Early Wynn for the 1943 Washington Senators Early Wynn played with Tommy John for the 1963 Cleveland Indians Tommy John played with Mike Morgan for the 1982 New York Yankees Mike Morgan played with Chad Moeller for the 2002 Arizona Diamondbacks

So far so good --- I look at these remaining games, with the 3 against the Cubs being the critical ones -- If we go 2-1 against the Cubs, that puts us in a very good spot. The other thing that should be noted -- is that we have now moved past the NL East and I think are .5 games behind AZ for the wildcard -- so if the Cubs/Cards did something incredible -- we are in a great position to capture the WC (as a plan B) -- this will undoubtedly give our playoff chances a huge lift. Part of me hopes that the Cubs are able to capture the WC -- you may think I am insane, but the Brewers v. Cubs in the playoffs would be something unreal to experience.

Why he struggles with this so much i have no idea,but seeing many of those hard hit balls off him in those situations since he's been here,the poor Bush is just an unlucky guy isn't selling with me. Me either -- I am sure he has had his share of bad breaks, but I also think he has been lucky in a lot of games as well. For example his last start -- I thought a few of those warning track flyballs he gave up were probably lucky to stay in the park (some our OFs made nice plays on). Live on the warning track, die on the warning track. With all that said,i'd bump Vargas from the rotation before Bush. I'm not sure I would -- I think Vargas has been awesome in the #5 spot this year, we are 11-2 in his starts, and that in a large part is that he has given the Brewers a chance to win in almost all his starts -- of course the O has obliged Vargas and given him some run support -- but there are a lot of 6IP 2R appearances in Vargas's game log this year. I guess the first thing to figure out before we start bumping Bush and Vargas, is how long Cappy is going to be out. The way I look at it -- if you have Gallardo/Bush/Vargas in the rotation -- you aren't going to get a lot of 6IP+ starts from these guys so a guy like Villy is going to get a pretty good chance at regular long relief stints. If Cappy is out for an extended period -- you almost need Villy to complement Gallardo, (or vice versa) because they are more than likely to top out at about 6IP

I don't think anyone is really aruging that too much, the issue is Gallardo's innings and how best to use them since they are limited. Also, I really wouldn't mind seeing Vargas traded near the deadline, move Villy to the starting role and putting Gallardo in the pen. Agreed -- I suspect either Villy or Gallardo are going to have limited pitch counts -- they would probably see relief opportunities in their respective starts.

Where this whole issue breaks down is the assertion that any of the sabermetric theories/hypothesis are correct. I'll be a believer when I see the proof. This is a good point... I like Dave Bush -- I think though he is going to have a 5.00+ ERA for awhile... here are my observations. 1.) I think that there are some Booshapologists on this site -- which is AOK -- the funny thing is, is that while 2007 gets discounted as a small sample, -- I am puzzled on how definitive his "career history" is considered, when in all reality it is a small sample as well (IMO). He has started for 2 seasons, one in the AL, one in the NL, it's not as if Dave Bush has a log like Sheets or Suppan. Therefore I tend to weigh 07 a lot heavier than others do. 2.) "Bush is unlucky" -- which of course is entirely nothing more than handwaving at his bad results this year. Bloop singles and bad plays by Bill Hall are often brought up -- and to take a page out of the sabredudes book "you aren't remembering the good plays" that our D makes, or the times when a batter misses a ball by a quarter inch and drives it to the warning track, instead of the bleachers. If someone wants to claim Bush is unlucky I thing a more robust charting would need to happen. I think Russ says "Bush is no more than a solid back of the rotation pitcher" -- If I quoted Russ's thoughts correctly -- I would agree 100%. I agree that Bush is a MLB quality starter, and I would also concede, that perhaps he has a higher ceiling -- but I think Bush is going to have to change/improve rather waiting for the universe to regress. I've been contending all along that Bush is leaving a lot of off-speed/90mph pitches high in the zone -- he makes me cringe a lot -- even in his last outing -- there were a lot of high pitches that got taken to OF gaps. It really is not a mystery to me why Bush's results have been poor this year, and why he is not one of our best starting option -- MLB hitters crush pitches high in the zone. As a side note -- I think K/BB and related metrics are often used inappropriately as well. K's are not always the best, and BBs are not always the sign of a struggling pitcher. I am just as happy when a pitcher retires a batter on one pitch than striking him out on 3. Pitchers can be dominating w/o striking out a lot of batters. I think Bush's K/BB stats are misleading some, -- in my opinion of course. I think Gallardo/Villy could likely provide better results than Bush/Vargas.

My biggest complaint was that it wasn't a full 30 minutes of new material. Yeah -- I was as well -- That being so stated, I Tivo'd most of the marathon, it's pretty original stuff that speaks loudly to people who grew up in the 80s.

When I was a kid (my first years following the Brewers) the most popular player by far was Sixto Lezcano (moreso than Yount at the time), the other fan favorites were Pedro Garcia (2b) and the Boomer George Scott. Other Latinos I remember from the early years -- Bullpen anchors Eduardo Rodriguez and Billy Castro. Ben Oglivie was from Panama I believe. I don't remember him as a Brewer but Ellie Rodriquez was our catcher before Porter showed up. Then I remember utility guys Ed Romero and Lenn Sakata coming up. I dug Lenn Sakata, that dude was some sort of flashy with the leather.

He isn't leaving the rotation anytime soon The difference between Yo and Fielder/Braun/Weeks/Hardy -- Is that the Brewers currently have 6 guys that can do Yo's job. If Vargas and Bush start to improve, and Cappy gets healthy, it will be pretty hard to take these guys out of the rotation.

I had the almost exact same thing happen to me a few years back -- I had my neighbor look at it, who is a small engines guy, and he advised me to just get a new mower.

I think Cordero and Fielder are locks -- Hardy has a lot of competition. As far as Sheets -- The AS game is generally reserved for the aces of the game.

Is anyone concerned about Braun's BB/K rate? In 89 PA he's walked 4 times and K's 22. I don't think many pitchers would pitch around him to get to Prince. He is crushing LHP so far, and I suspect will K some. I couldn't imagine Braun doing any better than he has to this point. If that were true, I wouldn't think that he would change it seemingly every day. I tend to agree. I think if Yost thought it had minimal impact, he would fill out his lineup card in the traditional manner, and let the chips fall as they would.

Soriano's teammates almost always compliment on him being a great guy to have on the team, I don't think he's really all that selfish and I'd take him over Menchkins myself. I would agree 100%. I would take Derrek Lee on my team in a heartbeat as well -- I think what he did was stupid, but I wouldn't start questioning his character. That said -- this is the second time in a short period of time, where the Cubs have come out with the short end of the stick, playing the machismo card. To echo what Hawing said -- the more the Brewers stay out of these brawls, and acts of retribution the better. We don't need any suspensions or injuries. I just don't get the need to throw at batters, or worse throw at them, because they threw at us.

someone should have a meltdown graphic on standby

DirectTV functions without a landline -- my "please make a call" is on day 850+

I guess my main point is that the Cubs have a much better chance of improving if players they already have start producing more consistently, rather than being really active in the trade market Agreed. I think this is true... however I think unless Pinella/Z go Barrett has to go, and it really is more of a clubhouse thing -- not the best trade reason.

Did you mean that Molina would get traded to the Cubs for Barrett? No not necessarily -- I think that the most probable explanation is that Z was being a dink, and probably Molina would be a catcher that he would like to see the Cubs acquire. Maybe he forgot which Molina plays where -- I know I can't keep track of them. -- More than anything, I think it is something worth talking about in this discussion. Actually, I think the Cubs are more likely to trade Zambrano than Barrett - they have nothing special at C in their organization to replace Barrett, and it would be tough to get a different catcher that makes any positive impact on their season via trade. I disagree -- I think if one gets traded it's Barrett. Besides brusing Zambrano's knuckles with his lip, he is not one of "Pinella's guys". If the Cubs are in fact committed to Pinella, I have to believe that Barrett's days are numbered in Chicago.

In related News -- Zambrano hinted that his next catcher may be Molina (the slow one). Next catcher? Now, Barrett is almost certain to be moved -- so perhaps Molina coming to the Cards for Barrett may make some sense.

As for the "your dish goes out in storms" nonsense, it's just a bunch of fear mongering on the part of cable companies. I agree with this 100%. We had our cable go out all the time, at what seemed to be random times. I have had all 3. Direct>Dish>Cable. If you are a NFL freak Direct is your only choice.

My wife bought an air pellet handgun and rifle to keep the squirrels off our bird feeder. They make bird feeders that keep squirrels off.