TheCrew07

I want no part of AJ... I want a young pitcher that the Brewers can control for a long time if we aren't getting a rental of Sabathia. I didn't like that deal to begin with. Burnett W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO 2008 8 8 4.92 19 18 0 0 0 0 113.1 116 67 62 9 53 111 Bush W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO 2008 4 8 4.74 17 16 0 0 0 0 98.2 94 56 52 15 26 53 If AJ can be aquired for spare parts then sure, but his name being included by TH hardly required an "I told you so". I dont' see much difference between Burnett and Bush statistcally, other than AJ both BBs and Ks twice as many guys, but they both have similar ratios. He's not an upgrade... I'm not thrilled about Cain either, I'd rather target Toronto's 2 pitchers I mentioned in the other thread for an in season deal. sorry about the formatting, I still haven't figured that out after 5 years, which is why I don't post tables much.

Hmm.. guess I'm confused... well I'm unable to locate any video of the young man, MLB doesn't archive ST games apparently.

Didn't he range all the way behind 2B and gun the guy at first with an off balance throw in the futures game? Or am I thinking about something else?

Mike Jones 2008 Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG BRE FSL 0 0 4.50 8 7 0 0 0 18.0 15 10 9 1 14 11 1.22 .238 HUN SOU 0 2 6.87 8 3 0 0 0 18.1 24 14 14 5 18 8 2.14 .353 Minors 0 2 5.70 16 10 0 0 0 36.1 39 24 23 6 32 19 1.63 .298 Mike Jones 2003 Year Age Tm Lg Lvl Aff W L W-L% G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA WHIP 2003 20 HVL SOU AA MIL 7 2 .778 17 17 0 0 98 87 35 26 47 63 2.39 1.37 *well I'm unable to get it to format correctly but 2003 he had 2.39 ERA, 1.37 WHIP a record of 7-2 in 98 IP with 47BB and 63Ks He's been such a trooper, but the results just aren't there for him. I try not to think about what could have been, but it doesn't look good for him to ever get back to the statistical level he was at in 2003 (I know his stuff will never be the same). His K to BB ratio was never great, but it's nearly .5 now.

Thanks Casey, that's the info I was looking for... Page views, and Yuku supporters don't cost the board anything.

Once again, it's not that Brewers aren't able to afford Sheets, it's that should they meet the years on the contract that the big market teams can offer? The Brewers aren't going to be able to sign him for 3 years, a home town discount would be a 4 year deal, but the Yankees or whomever will just go 5 years. Sheets deal is going to be about money and years, not just money. Again, we aren't talking about next year, we're talking about paying him 18-20 Million when he's 36 years old. Power pitchers do not age well, and Ben is a 2 pitch pitcher, though he's been working on that changeup for 3 years now. I'm not mocking you, I just don't get why this is such a difficult concept to understand? We aren't resigning the Ben Sheets of 2004 with 264 strike outs, we're signing a very good pitcher who's beginning to decline. While his ERA is very nice, his K to BB ratio is good, and WHIP is good, I highly doubt he'll be pitching this effectively when he's 36. I can't think of one 36 year old pitcher worth 20 mil/year, and when you factor he has the weirdest injury history of any Brewer pitcher, it's a risk the Brewers simply shouldn't take in my opinion. Sheets has only pitched over 180 innings 3 times in his 7year career, while Sabathia has done it 7 times in 7 years. Santana started in the BP for the Twins but he's pitched over 200 innings each of the last 4 years. Why does this matter? Because I'd rather have a team like the Yankees make the mistake of overpaying for Sheet's ERA than the Brewers being handcuffed to a longterm deal for too much if Ben suffers another "fluke" injury. He just hasn't been durable enough for me to feel secure offering him the type of money and years the big market teams are going to be willing to cough up.

Why wouldn't you IBB there and setup the double play? The runner is already in scoring position, so you don't lose anything...

The monsther that is the Sabathia thread got me thinking about this. Are we going to be able to contribute to the coffers again this year? Last year it was closed on me before I had a chance to contribute, and I've been patiently waiting all year for it to open back up. Also, what's the advantage to the site if I become a Yuku supporter? I'm not sure I understand how the billing works? Page views, posts? No difference? edit. I should add that I read about the forum cost in the FAQ, but it didn't answer my questions which I made a separate post.

That was about as ugly a double play as I've ever seen.

I don't think it takes all that long to look at who's been in what offer. I'd imagine their scouts had everyone prerated and they have up a little draft board. There's many reasons for Cleveland to delay and really the only thing that would potentially force them to move is that Melvin made the deal time sensitive. The concepts here are pretty basic, the more starts Sabathia makes for Cleveland, the less valuable he becomes... My best guess is that they've already made a decision, went back to the other to the clubs to see if they'll top Milwaukee's offer and they'll wait till the Brewer's deadline to complete the trade. Sort of like how in football every team uses up nearly the entire clock in the first round of the draft when we all know damn well who they are going to pick. If another club tops offer, I'm fine letting him go, I feel we're giving up way too much for a rental the way it is. LaPorta and Cain are fine, but not Green, he'll produce like Overbay and Cirillo, and he's LH, something the Crew definately needs more of in the lineup.

LaPorta would be in the top 15, Gamel would be in the top 25, Jeffress would like be around 50, Escobar would probably Crack the list as well.

I'm getting a little bit tired of the "Well you told us Hardy was an excellent shortstop" bit that's being run around here lately. Hardy is an excellent shortstop, but it's clear that the injury has cost him some quickness. So now because Hardy lost a step apparently Escobar is over hyped. I was looking around for that play he made in the Futures Game to post, but I came up empty on my Google search. Does anyone have the video of that play saved anywhere by chance?

Well if AA players can swap 9 out of 10 bases on him in 2 games, I'd say he's a defensive liability at this point. He has all the tools for sure, but then again so does Weeks. It's so hard to predict how a guy will turn out defensively. His bat is pretty darn good... In my opinion at his peak he'll hit .300ish, 25-30HRs, .350ish OBP, 800+ OPS. He doesn't strike out much, but he doesn't walk much either. He's always hit well, he's just lost time with that terrible leg injury and the suspension.

endaround always goes to the salary card with this, but I think it's much more simple than that, JJ doesn't hit well enough to play 3B. If Escobar is the better shortstop, JJ gets moved to 2B or traded. If he whines so what, let him walk after Arby. He's one of my boys, but his value can certainly be replaced.

Angel's bat has always been his ticket, he has a ways to go defensively. Even though he has a cannon for an arm guys take bases on him like crazy, which to me means he needs tons of work on his footwork yet. Don Money noted yesterday that Angel still calls a pretty poor game as well, he doesn't set up hitters very well apparently. I've beat the Salome drum pretty loudly this year because he's hit so well and hasn't gotten much national pub... but as much as I like him he might be better off personally if he were traded to an AL club where he can DH, because his bat is fantastic. Pretty much the same way I feel about Fielder, I really like them both, but they will probably have better careers in the AL.

Cain is most certainly blocked that much is true. In no way are Green and LaPorta blocked. Green can play 3B or 2B, LaPorta LF or 1B. Cameron is temporary solution in CF, Hart could play there, Braun RF, LaPorta LF. If Gamel doesn't stick at 3B then Green fits there perfectly, or as I envisioned he could be the 2B of the future.

That actually gave me some peace, he better sign soon so he can actually get some playing time in this summer.

At this point in time the Brewers cannot afford to trade their top pitching prospects

The Dodgers rumor is bunk in my opinion. Why would they trade Kershaw for Sabathia when they can just sign Sabathia as a free agent and have both? The Yankees are pretty much in the same boat, ride out the year and aquire Sheets or Sabathia. When a team has that much money to spend they play under totally different rules.

If Jeffress doesn't pitch today something is up, because the whole rotation got bumped back a day.

Did I miss something? Are you talking about James Shields of the Rays? Yes, I'm not high on Cain or Greinke, and longterm Prince fits best in the AL. I tend to look for longterm solutions instead of rental deals. With Price coming up next year he could be replaced in their rotation and he's their 3rd best pitcher behind Kazmir and Garza. We'd still have control of him for 3 years, I really like the Rays as trading partner for SP, I like Toronto and Baltimore as well. I actually want Price who's currently in AA, but I'm not sure the Rays woud do it, even for an eastablished MVP candidate like Prince. edit. Ry.. trade Prince this off season because he'll never be more valuable than this offseason. The closer he gets to free agency, the less valuable he is to a trading partner, also if he continues to put on weight he loses value as well. It makes sense to trade an established hitter for multiple pitching prospects, and because Prince is the least likely to sign longterm, he's the most valuable asset to move for pitching.

I've alwayd liked Villy as a starter and I spent all last year posting he should be in the rotation, but for whatever reason he nibbled way too much this year. Parra nibbles too much as well, but somehow he's been getting better results, probably because his stuff all around better. I've come to accept that Villy is probably a bullpen arm, so I'm looking elsewhere for starting pitching.

If you trade Fielder for Shields or a top prospect there's a hole at 1B that LaPorta fits into very nicely.

Why, why, why do people keep ignoring the fact that CC want's Santana money and that there are only 5 or 6 teams that will go 20+ for 7 years.

I'm not too concerned with Fredrickson's rough start at all, based on the way on he performed it looks like it was just nerves. Now that can also say quite a bit about a young man, but it's way too early to label him negatively. I wonder how much of the 5 WPs was him spiking balls in the dirt that weren't getting blocked, could he really have been missing that bad? On a related note I caught the original Major League today after the Brewer game and when I flipped it over it was the, "Ball 4, Ball 8, Ball 12... how can they lay off pitches that close?" right before I flipped back over to the pc to look at the CC thread and link reports... that's some foreshadowing going on. edit. Even though he didn't pitch poorly Narveson got the loss again, that's 11 already... with only 2 wins... he could realistically lose 20 games in AAA, not that it matters but I wonder if they pull plug on him before that happens. Other than a 2 to 1 K to BB ratio there's not a good stat in his entire line.