I hear the rebuilding thing, but you lose me on the point of giving an asset like Bogut away. Nobody wants to "give him away." You ever hear the saying sometimes you have to take one step back to take two steps forward? That's what the Bucks need to do. You can't ever be anything in the NBA without a star player. In order to get a star player you have to be at the top of the lottery. Bogut prevents the Bucks from being at the top of the lottery and that's why some of us want him traded. It has nothing to do with Bogut being a bad player and we're not saying he's not a good player. He's just the classic in between player. Not bad enough to keep us from sucking but not good enough to ever lead us to anything meaningful. David Robinson goes down, then the Spurs jump in the lottery. That's exactly the point. Robinson goes down, the Spurs could've gone out and made a patchwork trade to try to make the playoffs but they didn't. They just said we'll take our lumps this year and maybe get some lottery luck and come back next year. And they did. And they won four championships by drafting one of the best players of all time. Being terrible isn't good enough, you have to be lucky as well. Of course it isn't good enough. You have to have good scouts and a good GM, which we have neither of right now. McKinney, Babcock, Hammond and everybody else in the front office could be fired right now and I wouldn't care because they all suck. Nobody is denying that luck is involved either, it's called the lottery for a reason. The thing is though in pretty much every draft you're going to get at least two all star players. It's also pretty much known that even the all star players aren't good in their rookie and sometimes even sophomore years so you give them a ton of playing time and experience while they learn and then continue to draft high. Yes, Minnesota has gotten screwed in the lottery, but they would also have a good team if their management and scouts weren't stupid. 2006 they traded Brandon Roy for Randy Foye, 2007 they drafted Corey Brewer over Joakim Noah, 2008 they actually did something smart and traded O.J. Mayo for Kevin Love, 2009 they drafted Ricky Rubio, Jonny Flynn and Ty Lawson they ended up trading Lawson who turned out to be the best player they drafted and in 2010 they took Wes Johnson over younger, better players like Greg Monroe, Ed Davis and several others. So they could be looking at a starting lineup of: Lawson Roy ??? Love Monroe That's way better than what they have now. So once again, nobody is denying that tearing it all down and rebuilding is guaranteed to work. It's just the way best for a small market team to build. Look at Portland as well. They cleared Zach Randolph and sucked. Traded the 4th pick (Tyrus Thomas) and Viktor Khyrapa for the 2nd pick (LaMarcus Aldridge) and a conditional 2nd round pick. They then traded Randy Foye (7th pick) who they acquired for Sebastian Telfair for Brandon Roy (6th pick). Just like that they got two young all star talents to build around. Yes they also made the wrong decision of taking Greg Oden over Kevin Durant or even Al Horford but just with those two trades that got them Roy and Aldridge they built up enough talent through the draft that they have averaged 51 wins the last three years. The Bucks on the other hand have one season where they've won 51 or more games in the last 25 years.