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I think we have time for 18.

Claudio Vargas. What a pickup!

Only took 40 seconds from the time Vargas got the ball back from Kendall until he threw the next pitch. Edit: 36 seconds on the 2-1 pitch. Improvement!

Don't worry about step 3. I'm sure we'll make up for it in step 4 by taking at least 2 of 3 from the Dodgers.

I hate Kendall.

CASEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's the second time this season Casey has gone back-to-back with Prince on the first pitch right after a pitching change.

Highlight of the game so far is the ball girl getting hit in the face.

Cubs were winning 8-5 with two outs in the 9th and nobody on. Now it's 8-8 going to the 10th.

Yikes. Through three innings and we don't even have one post on the game. I was taking the dog for a walk but it looks like Burns has at least been decent.

Brewers sign outfielder Corey Patterson to minor league deal. Reporting to Nashville.

Why is Jake Peavy in for Clayton Richard?

Iribarren for Hall Burns for Suppan That made it 25, Vargas to the major leagues for a minor leaguer means somebody had to go. Kendall, Fielder, Lopez, Hardy, Counsell, Braun, Cameron, Hart, Rivera, Iribarren, McGehee, Catalanotto and Gerut = 13 Gallardo, Parra, Looper, Burns, Villanueva, Swindle, Vargas, Stetter, Coffey, DiFelice, Smith and Hoffman = 12

I think hoping to beat teams to acquire the best starters at the trade deadline is a pretty poor plan.

that's why I have a hard time knocking on Warrick's one-year deal. At least somebody chose to go there... He chose to go here because we were offering the most money. Same thing goes for most free agents. They go where the money is. And Hammond shouldn't preach financial flexibility when he does a half-assed job of achieving financial flexibility. And don't whine when you say you don't have financial flexibility when you had oppurtunities to get it. Tanking for a team that barely has a fan base is not smart. If you put a bunch of young players out on the court as opposed to a bunch of mediocre veterans and both win the same amount of games, who do you think people are going to watch? Also, don't you think it would help to trim the payroll to the $45 million range instead of keeping it in the $70 million range saving Kohl $25 million? There's no way that attendance makes up for any of that. The ping pong balls don't guarantee anything either. Who said they did? Isn't that the definition of the lottery? I do know that winning while trying to rebuild has never worked and never will work. That's what we've been doing through Kohl's ownership. I think those results speak volumes about that strategy. Is there a LeBron type guy that was born and raised in Wisconsin and would just love being close to home? Who cares? If we draft them, there's nothing they can do about it. He's ours for at least five years if he's any good and likely longer since most players sign extensions at the end of their rookie contracts for financial security. Next year's draft doesn't look like it has anybody that could change a franchise as quick as you think I would say John Wall and Derrick Favors could change a franchise pretty quick. We've had the number 1 pick twice in the past 15 years or so...what did that get us? Well Robinson brought us our best team under Kohl's ownership, as did Ray. Bogut was a bad pick in comparison to Paul and Williams. Look at the three contending Bucks teams over their history. Kareem, Moncrief/Johnson and Robinson/Allen were all drafted high in the lottery. expiring contracts still have value, right? Expiring contracts only have value if you're willing to take on long term contracts. Our expiring contracts are going to be more valuable to us by just letting them expire than anything we could get for them. Firing Terry Porter still has to be one of the dumbest things I've seen a GM do in a long, long, long time. That came from Kohl. He thought he could get a big name coach and when they all declined he was left scrambling for a coach and had to go with Stotts. You can't blame Harris for that. The best way to build a team is exactly what the Bucks are doing...they ARE giving themselves financial flexibility No they're not. Giving yourself financial flexibility would be taking the RJ for Wally trade that was available at the deadline. It would be not wasting $3 million on the Francisco Elson's and Malik Allen's of the world and then giving them player options. It would be trading Redd for salary flexibility ASAP instead of trying to extract extra value for him. It would be taking Joe Smith's expiring contract in the Mo Williams trade instead of getting Oklahoma City involved and taking the two year contract of Luke Ridnour instead. but I think the Bucks are positioning themselves for next summer. That's not happening unless Redd is traded. We have no cap space until 2011 unless Redd is traded.

The Seattle SuperSonics say hi. I know they moved, but I would love to have a talent base like Oklahoma City's. And Boston won their title with trades for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett and by exceeding the salary cap Boston traded their lottery pick for Ray Allen and accumulated enough assets (including a young 20/10 big) to get Garnett. What assets do the Bucks have to use? A max SG who's injured, some expiring contracts, mid lottery picks, a bunch of tweener forwards and that's about it.

I think there's a pretty good chance his workload this year becomes a future problem.

Yeah, instead he's counting on a 23 year old who pitched a little over 30 innings last year to lead a staff.

And then he gave up on a young, hard throwing lefty for a utility infielder, which was my point.

We usually don't agree on the Bucks and we don't here...so you expect a team that is struggling big-time to fill seats to just tank before the season starts? Hello your Las Vegas Bucks! They simply can't give the impression they're doing that and need to at least compete. While your logic might make basketball sense in your mind, tanking in basketball is a terrible idea IMO for two reasons. If the Bucks keep stinking and even admit to tanking, they're gone. They're on shaky ground the way it is and I still believe they'll be gone within 5 years if something doesn't change. Then I'd rather have them be gone. Much better not having a team to follow than having an awful team that just keeps spinning its wheels to follow. The second reason is tanking doesn't get you anywhere. Orlando, Cleveland, San Antonio, Boston and several other teams say hi. I don't know how you and the guys at realgm get so upset about Warrick. It's a small contract...who cares? Why should we get upset about Jake Voskuhl's contract? It's small, who cares? Same goes for Lue, Elson and Allen. The problem with it is these contracts add up over the years. Don't preach financial flexibility and then add the fifth tweener forward to your already full roster. the Bucks desperately need to put a team together that can compete and build the fan base. The only way they are going to build a fan base is a consistent 50 game winner. People aren't going to show up to see a .500 team win one game in a playoff series only to be ousted by a much better team.

We brought in McClung when he was 26. Not exactly young anymore. And we traded JDLR for Tony Graffanino. Not exactly impressive.

Are you suggesting they play for the lottery or something? Yes. This team is bad. Hakim Warrick isn't going to make a difference. Until this team gets a star player, they're going nowhere. So get the high picks, get your star and then you might actually go somewhere. Again, what should he be spending money on? No one. We had a full roster. We don't need to be spending money to turn some of our third string guys into fourth string guys, especially when we're not getting a legit starter back. And Warrick is no Voskuhl. Warrick starts, is athletic, and produces. It's still a waste of money in our situation. Are you honestly comparing Warrick to Lue, Allen, and Elson? Well, sort of. Warrick actually costs less than those three clowns. And Ilyasova and Amir Johnson say hi back. I already mentioned Johnson being a bad trade, so I don't know why you brought him in there. Ilyasova was a cheap fill-in to fill out the roster, which was needed. Warrick's PER has gone up every year he's been in the league. 05-06: 17.8 06-07: 17.3 07-08: 19.0 08-09: 19.4 Opponents PER: 05-06: 18.3 06-07: 19.2 07-08: 20.1 08-09: 16.5 So yeah, only one year has his PER been higher than his opponents. You keep talking about saving money. It's not like they put it in the bank to save for some free agent in 2010. But they should. With the talent on this team they should be rolling with a $40-50 million payroll, not $70 million. Nobody is going to show up either way, but that will save Kohl $20-30 million that he could use later when we actually have a good team. We keep spending money on scrub bench players to be 14th and 15th men (not saying Warrick is one of them) which we don't need instead of just pocketing that money and using it later. I get the distinct impression you want them to tank until Redd and Gadz are gone. I want them to tank until we get a legitimate star to build around. Whether that takes one year, five years or 20 years.

Well there were a couple "At least I can go to bed at a reasonable hour" posts when we went up 7-1. I hope for their sake they didn't go to be early. I would hate to be them and see their reaction tomorrow when they find out we lost 11-7. I doubt they thought the pitching staff would be this bad, man were they wrong. You know the saying Spahn and Sain and Pray for Rain? Well our pitching staff is Gallardo and oh please score some runs offense. We have no chance otherwise. Doesn't quite rhyme, but you get what I'm trying to say. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

Well, they put postgame quotes in the blog since the game ended after the JS's deadline. Macha disappointed. Cameron says they've had several closed door meetings this season, including one on the last home stand. Cameron then says this is a ____ loss. You can see the blank word in the blog, I can't repeat it here. Looper blames it on himself. Link

Which isn't saying much.

I'm guessing he's talking about this. Sounds like there were two moves that were close, but didn't happen.