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  • This is the Number to Watch as American Family Field Renovations Get More Spendy


    Matthew Trueblood

    The price tag on the needed renovations at American Family Field keeps rising, but it's not any dollar amount you should worry about most.

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    Back in February, a slow volley of proposals for the joint funding of renovations needed at American Family Field in Milwaukee began. The Wisconsin state government, the county, and the Brewers are dancing around one another, trying to find the sweet spot where each contributes a tolerable amount to a project that purports to update and improve the ballpark. The price tags mentioned have ranged from just over $400 million to almost $700 million, with varying divisions of responsibility for each party.

    I'm a firm believer that Mark Attanasio, who bought the Brewers for $223 million in 2006 and could sell it at no less than a 300 percent profit tomorrow if he so chose, should pay for the renovations--that is, that a billion-dollar corporation enmeshed in a massive cartel that reduces their risk to almost nil should avoid asking taxpayers in any state or municipality to bear their upkeep costs. However, understanding the realities of the modern sporting and political landscapes, I have no intention of hollering about government bodies chipping in on this type of project. It happens; it will continue to happen. It's not the end of the world, but rather, a sure but livable sign that the world is an imperfect place.

    Rather, I want to ensure that we focus on the one number that will tell the tale of the Brewers' true motives throughout this project. Right now, that number is at 41,900, but the important thing to watch is whether and in what direction it changes.

    That figure, of course, is the crowd capacity of the stadium. It's almost perfectly average, in MLB. The danger is that it could shrink, because a recent trend in renovations like these has seen teams decrease their home parks' capacities in favor of creating premium spaces and experiences. They're artificially suppressing supply, which drives up the cost of the cheapest tickets they have to put into the marketplace, and they're also making much more money by pulling in corporate and other wealthy customers. They sell all-inclusive options and elite packages, and their profit margin rises. 

    The Cleveland Guardians are the most egregious offenders in this way, but they're far from the only ones. The Rockies, the Red Sox, the Blue Jays, and the Cubs have all done it, too, to varying degrees. Lowering stadium capacity brings down attendance numbers for the full season, obviously, and can give teams more leverage in later negotiations of precisely the kind the Brewers are trying to conduct with the state and county right now. It's so lucrative to rake in money from relatively few big-spending customers that teams stop caring nearly as much about their median customers--middle-class individuals and families, who can afford to attend only a few games a year.

    Big crowds make baseball better. Crowds actively and intrinsically engaged with the game in front of them make baseball better. Teams in MLB, already massively subsidized and dependent on decades of goodwill and multi-generational brand loyalty for their privileged place in our society, should be expected to act in the public interest, even while being allowed to make enormous profits. Some surtax will eventually pass, piling extra financial burdens onto Wisconsinites (and especially Milwaukee-area residents) to help ensure that the Brewers stick around for another generation or two. That's not so bad, in the long run. If the team starts talking about changes that bring down the stadium's capacity to 39,000 or something, though, it's a sign that they're trying to wring more than they have a right to out of the whole situation, and fans should object strenuously.

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    Has Mark A commented on this issue at all? Where has he been all summer? I’m sure this is all posturing by all of these different politicians but just the mention of possible relocation is frightening.

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    If the brewers leave I’m close to done with sports.    College football will be ruined within 5 years.    The nba sucks and college basketball while still enjoyable for me has steadily decreased in quality and marketability 

    let’s face it.  Baseball interest is regional.   And if you don’t have a dog in the fight baseball will be nonexistent for me and for a lot of people on wisconsin

     

     give someone the bucks.   Keep the brewers 

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    I joked with my cousin that maybe someone should set up a GoFundMe for the Brewers. 

    I'd contribute.  I don't want the team moving to freakin' Nashville or anywhere else.  Maybe there's enough other fans around the country/world that would want to keep the team in Milwaukee, too.

    I understand that people don't want to pay taxes.   And there are plenty of people that don't give two hoots about the Milwaukee Brewers or any sports teams. 

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    1 hour ago, willie key said:

    If the brewers leave I’m close to done with sports.    College football will be ruined within 5 years.    The nba sucks and college basketball while still enjoyable for me has steadily decreased in quality and marketability 

    let’s face it.  Baseball interest is regional.   And if you don’t have a dog in the fight baseball will be nonexistent for me and for a lot of people on wisconsin

     

     give someone the bucks.   Keep the brewers 

    We're obviously all Brewers fans here but I'm not too big of a fan to admit that a trade of the Bucks for the Brewers is probably a disaster long term for the city.

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    The Bucks have absolutely nothing to do with this. Their stadium debate was over 8 years ago, and I haven’t heard anybody griping about the financing package since it was signed into law. It will not be a factor in any of the current debates about stadium financing.

    If this runs longer than, say, November, the Brewers need to seriously considering onboarding somebody stronger than Rick Schlesinger to shepherd this thing through to the end. 

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    Can someone clear something up because I'm not clear on the specifics.  Isn't it the stadium district(state/local/city government) that owes the repair costs to the stadium and not the Brewers ballclub?  And if the district does not pay for the repairs, this will be a breach of contract and the Brewers ballclub can cancel their lease?

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    21 minutes ago, BlightyBrew said:

    Can someone clear something up because I'm not clear on the specifics.  Isn't it the stadium district(state/local/city government) that owes the repair costs to the stadium and not the Brewers ballclub?  And if the district does not pay for the repairs, this will be a breach of contract and the Brewers ballclub can cancel their lease?

    Yes but that part is really downplayed because it's not as attention grabbing as billionaire wants government handout. 

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    40 minutes ago, BlightyBrew said:

    Can someone clear something up because I'm not clear on the specifics.  Isn't it the stadium district(state/local/city government) that owes the repair costs to the stadium and not the Brewers ballclub?  And if the district does not pay for the repairs, this will be a breach of contract and the Brewers ballclub can cancel their lease?

    What they're discussing here goes well beyond repair and upkeep, though. Think of it as your dishwasher breaking so you buy a new one versus tearing out your entire kitchen and remodeling it.

    Which is fine, AmFam is getting a little long in the tooth right now and could use some modernization. The devil is in the details.

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    This is not hitting at a very good time, either.

    The city of Milwaukee is going to have a sales tax increase of 2% at the beginning of 2024.  Milwaukee County is going to have a .4% increase at the same time.  That means the sales tax in Milwaukee will be 7.9%.  Yes... I know that the tax rate for Wisconsin as a whole is one of the lowest in the country (Taxfoundation.org), but it is a 40%-ish increase.

    For me, I do not mind paying a tax for the stadium, but it is only for the stadium.  Why can't there be something one in that area to be more beneficial?  I understand the huge amount of asphalt for tailgating, but how many people really tailgate?  Maybe 1%?  Take the land east of the river and make it more useful.  Combine that and make it a stadium "district" instead of simply the stadium. 

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    This will all get resolved at some point and the Brewers will stay in Milwaukee but the silence from Attanasio all season does cause a bit of a pause. The owner used to attend more games and make appearances on the broadcasts but that has all but disappeared completely. I do wonder if he is looking to cash out which would be fine by me. 

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    Not to take this too far off course but we do have a manager and GM both on the last years of their contracts which is very unusual. Counsell has been offered an extension and has not made up his mind if he wants to keep managing or step away but we have heard nothing about any extension talks with Arnold. Between these situations and the fact that we haven't made any attempts to sign any of our players long term (at least none that have been reported) and you have to wonder what is going on with ownership.

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    32 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

    This will all get resolved at some point and the Brewers will stay in Milwaukee but the silence from Attanasio all season does cause a bit of a pause. The owner used to attend more games and make appearances on the broadcasts but that has all but disappeared completely. I do wonder if he is looking to cash out which would be fine by me. 

    I have a feeling his new found ownership in Norwich City is what is keeping him out of his seats at AmFam field.

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    50 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

    The conspiracy theories have arrived

    It is a fact that the owner has not been around as much this season but you go right ahead with your insults which as always are applauded by the same guy.

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    24 minutes ago, Samurai Bucky said:

    I have a feeling his new found ownership in Norwich City is what is keeping him out of his seats at AmFam field.

    Its a problem if Attanasio is more involved with his third rate soccer team than he is with the Brewers but that might be the case.

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    29 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

    Its a problem if Attanasio is more involved with his third rate soccer team than he is with the Brewers but that might be the case.

    Is it a problem?

    He has hired professionals to run his team who have done such a good job that Steve Cohen is preparing to shatter industry compensation records to lure them all away.

    Owner involvement isn’t always a good thing, Soup pitched great!!

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    28 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

    It is a fact that the owner has not been around as much this season but you go right ahead with your insults which as always are applauded by the same guy.

    Just like it's a fact David Stearns was making moves for the Mets while still the POBO of the Brewers....

    He's still been around. I've personally seen him in the stands a handful of times. But he's got more businesses than just the Brewers to look out for, and he doesn't live in Milwaukee. So, as always, you have little other than pure speculation, when he's also said on multiple occasions that he wants to keep the team within the family. 

    Also, be careful with your word choice. I just happen to be/identify as a "guy", but that's not always the case. 

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    2 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

    Is it a problem?

    He has hired professionals to run his team who have done such a good job that Steve Cohen is preparing to shatter industry compensation records to lure them all away.

    Owner involvement isn’t always a good thing, Soup pitched great!!

    When it comes to ownership, what I care about most is the payroll number. Attanasio does a decent, if not good, job in that regard. Milwaukee is the smallest metro market in the sport, yet the Brewers regularly sit in the 20-24 range in MLB payroll.

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    7 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    When it comes to ownership, what I care about most is the payroll number. Attanasio does a decent, if not good, job in that regard. Milwaukee is the smallest metro market in the sport, yet the Brewers regularly sit in the 20-24 range in MLB payroll.

    The last four full seasons their OD payroll ranks have been 20th, 19th, 19th and 17th per Cots.

    From 2007 through 2015 Cots has them 15th, 15th, 17th, 17th, 17th, 13th, 19th, 16th and 20th on opening day.

    The only time they went cheap in the last 15+ years was 2016-18 when they ranked 30th, 30th and then 26th in their NLCS year.

    The current $154M number on Spotrac would be a franchise record, I believe.

    Mark A & partners have consistently outspent their market size by a pretty considerable margin.

    Whatever investments they’ve made on the international and amateur side have also paid, and continue to pay dividends.

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    43 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

    The last four full seasons their OD payroll ranks have been 20th, 19th, 19th and 17th per Cots.

    From 2007 through 2015 Cots has them 15th, 15th, 17th, 17th, 17th, 13th, 19th, 16th and 20th on opening day.

    The only time they went cheap in the last 15+ years was 2016-18 when they ranked 30th, 30th and then 26th in their NLCS year.

    The current $154M number on Spotrac would be a franchise record, I believe.

    Mark A & partners have consistently outspent their market size by a pretty considerable margin.

    Whatever investments they’ve made on the international and amateur side have also paid, and continue to pay dividends.

    Yep, as far as ownership groups go, I think the Brewers have it pretty good.

    Look at what Cleveland has been doing the past few years. They're a similar market size to Milwaukee and also competitive but their product is far less watchable because of the way ownership operates.

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    35 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

    The last four full seasons their OD payroll ranks have been 20th, 19th, 19th and 17th per Cots.

    From 2007 through 2015 Cots has them 15th, 15th, 17th, 17th, 17th, 13th, 19th, 16th and 20th on opening day.

    The only time they went cheap in the last 15+ years was 2016-18 when they ranked 30th, 30th and then 26th in their NLCS year.

    The current $154M number on Spotrac would be a franchise record, I believe.

    Mark A & partners have consistently outspent their market size by a pretty considerable margin.

    Whatever investments they’ve made on the international and amateur side have also paid, and continue to pay dividends.

    Absofrigginglutely.

    Considering market-size, this ownership group is outstanding, and Mark Attanasio, specifically, just a wonderful owner.

    His skill level in hiring the right talent to lead this franchise has been incredible. He was smart enough to recognize a generational talent in Stearns and in retaining another in Arnold.

    The criticism this team gets from some is outrageous. This team, thanks to MA and his hires, now have an infrastructure in place to win a championship/championships over the next decade. This last draft-class is a preview of what’s ahead.

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    6 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    When it comes to ownership, what I care about most is the payroll number. Attanasio does a decent, if not good, job in that regard. Milwaukee is the smallest metro market in the sport, yet the Brewers regularly sit in the 20-24 range in MLB payroll.

    I think hiring smart people is much more important than the actual payroll number. Give me a well run team with the 20th ranked payroll over a poorly run team with the 10th ranked payroll 

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    20 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

    I think hiring smart people is much more important than the actual payroll number. Give me a well run team with the 20th ranked payroll over a poorly run team with the 10th ranked payroll 

    Oh, definitely. I was only speaking to something tangible and numeric on which to judge ownership. 

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    Really great owner…..

    yet, he has been very quiet while, I don’t know, articles of the franchise possibly looking to relocate have been written!  So good reason to freak out a bit with him being mum on the topic since March/April.

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    1 hour ago, rickh150 said:

    Really great owner…..

    yet, he has been very quiet while, I don’t know, articles of the franchise possibly looking to relocate have been written!  So good reason to freak out a bit with him being mum on the topic since March/April.

    MLBTR article had these quotes which seem to communicate Mark A’s position…

    The Brewers want “Major League Baseball to remain in Wisconsin for the next generation and beyond,” says Rick Schlesinger, president of business operations for the team. Manfred said in May that he thinks “the Brewers are interested in a long-term relationship and an extension of the lease that’ll keep them here.”

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