Paul, I've been feeling that way lately as well. I was optimistic the 2017 rotation could beat expectations with Nelson, Peralta, Hader, Lopez, Davies. Not a title contending rotation, but the start of one. 2016 would be the year Peralta returns to earlier success, the young guys continue to dominate in AAA, and real hope for 2017. Then Ponce and Williams are a year or two away. Well, all of that is out the window. Now I've come to realize this is probably not going to be the window. They are not going to be ready to compete in 2018, which I thought was at least possible. Instead, it looks like we'll have to wait for the next wave, mostly guys in A ball and below. Hopefully when those guys come up, the Brewers will have a few established guys like Arcia, Phillips, Hader, etc. So we could be looking at 2020 at least before this team is over .500 again.