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Serenity now don't get me wrong, the new star wars flick was much better than the last two, but i couldn't agree with you more...serenity was great...i hope they can make 5 more of 'em!

well, there's been lots of dark moments in baseball's history....there could definitely be an exhibit on the blemishes of the sport as well... plus, i think putting the word "infamous" before pete rose would actually make me feel even better about the guy...

ahem...amen

i vote no.... he knows why.

Jim--- The Key is to avoid responsibility at all costs...even to the extent of doing brewerfan stuff AT work...

That's a fantastic answer... i think we should save this somewhere forever and use it as a reference for whenever anyone asks about the importance of skills in pitching.. but i seriously doubt the 8th grader has ever heard of bobby shantz

I'm with you, and i'll be moving them post haste

how does Allen stack up against Albert Belle??? I've been wondering...In my mind at least, they seem very similar... answering my own question....Albert actually was better all the way through (his ops+ is a little bit lower, but his peak years are very close(192, 178, 171)...but with the differences for era, i think he's a fair comp.. and albert won't get in, methinks..

I'm very undecided here....Clearly, he was a great hitter...maybe best in the league for 80% of his playing career...but someitmes you've got to play the games... I actually think that this is the toughest one so far....But I think I'm going to vote No....and well, it's not fair...there's a lot of guys like this who retired in the 90's and early 00's and while Dick Allen probably peaked above them, I don't see what he does to distance himself... Regardless of how he played, he played a half career... Of course, I vote whole heartedly for Dale Murphy and his career isn't much prettier than Allens...

I think that's the best route brian...could probably just make it a "Transactions/Proposed Transactions" forum and get even more stuff in there...

you can send money to me any time you feel like forkin' it over

Corey Hart is for real... Let him play!

I say yes... I view the 90's as a steroid era...so, why not the king of the longball in the longball era??? I kinda think we have to view all the mashers from this period the same way we view Mcgwire... so I say yes...though it may prove to be an ugly show over the next decade as these guys become eligible... I guess Jose Canseco will give us our first glance as to how it will play out...

I think the current danger of ops is that if you write the acronym "OPS" in your post...the next 3 posts will be about how you are a fool/jerk

Just in case no one saw this, but rotoworld reports that Eveland was shut down because of a knee injury

the name escapes me, Andrew? Probably Charly or Ivan...Andrew was way back in 1992

i think some of you guys overanalyze things. Do you think Doug Melvin is looking at VORP and total baserunners per RBI? I really don't think so. He better be...If he's not using every available resource, then why does he have the job?

Geno! one little thing, because I'm in a hurry.. Hart is no nugget...he's been a top ten prospect for the brewers for 3 years now...He dominated AAA this year and he's 8 years younger than Carlos...that makes him a very good prospect...in fact he's very similar to Geoff Jenkins...Who has been a very good major league baseball player I never said ditch Carlos right now...I'm simply stating (restating) that he is a bad long term investment...and if the scenario where Clark stinks and jenkins gets hurt occurs, it won't really matter who is in left because the brewers will be in really big problems... Thanks for the discussion though...this place wouldn't be (ab)normal without you!http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/nerd.gif

AAA... Before I deal a Carlos Lee type player, I want to know that these guys (Hart and Cruz) will perform the way you portray them. Don't tell me that they COULD do this or that. I could win the lottery, but I'm not going to quit coming to work until I actually do. Well, Prince Fielder could be good...but we'll never know if we don't try him BTW...the only teams that can afford to NEVER try rookies in place of Veterans are the Yankees and the BoSox..and even they sometimes let prospects play (Robinson Cano) It is asinine to expect to "know" that these guys can play in the majors before you trade Lee...how can you, Lee is blocking them! The Brewers need to continue building with youth...if they seel the house to keep carlos lee, then something is wrong (like maybe Dean Taylor or Sal bando have taken over again) Where were you guys two years ago when we traded Richie Sexson??? he was a million times better than Carlos Lee is...or JBurn...he was better too.. why is everyone so hung up on carlos lee? I don't want to settle for mediocrity...I want the best team the brewers can give me...and Frankly, I think that one of the minor league guys+ whatever the brewers get for leee, or do with the money save by not paying him is better than Carlos alone...

You also noted that CLee's 2005 #s suggest he's replaceable. By whom? I've asked this twice before, and still haven't received a real counter-response: For $8,000,000 a year, who in the majors is available to us, who can hit 30+ HRs and drive in 110-120 runs, right now? I mentioned Berkman and Vernon Wells, to give everyone a head start, but their teams will wisely keep them. I said: "As for Hart or Cruz matching Carlos' numbers...it's definitely possible... Hart would likely get on base at a much higher clip and steal alot of bases...sort of like Overbay this year but fast....Nelson cruz could easily hit 20-30 hr's with a low obp just like carlos.." as for the 5% decline...i was referring to his OPS, not his HR's or RBI's...If he dropped 42 points off his OPS, he would be below average...10% and we are talking J Hamms bad... To reiterate again...I think one of the two rookies could be within that 5% range in OPS next year (.760) and then be better the year after...that's not a reach at all, and their minor league EQA's show that it's very possible.. As for Hr's and Rbi's, well Nelson Cruz hit 27 bombs this year in 456 ab's...so, he could easily hit 30...He was also on pace for over 100 rbi's in a 600 ab season...not to mention he had 99 the year before.. Corey Hart had 19 hr's in 485 ab's...which would have set him up for 25 or so over 600 ab's...he has also had two seasons where he drove in 90+ runs...and he did it with rummies like krynzel in front of him... I think either or both of these guys could put up better Ops's than Lee did this year in a year or two...and I think they both have the power to hit 30+ bombs...on top of that, i think they have both demonstrated that given opportunity, they can drive runners in too.. And if the brewers commit to one of them full time in the middle of 2006 or the beginning of 2007, then they can use the 9 million a year (not 18, i was implying he had two years remaining) that CLEE would make and put it to a better use...

i'll get that one when it's off the front page...

No one is arguing that the trade shouldn't have been made last year...it was a great trade.. what we don't want is for Carlos Lee to be hobbling around in 2009 because the brewers still owe him 18 million... I thought we were past this stage?

My favorite type of argument goes something like this: You must be crazy because you don't agree with me and I am always right. so, of course there is no need to rebutte your argument, because, well...I'm crazy

When great players decline they become good... When Good players decline...they become average... Carlos Lee is a good player who played like an average player this year...what does this mean for the future?? It is likely that Carlos will be good-average for the next few years and then slip away... His stats this year indicate that he is replaceable..Yes, he hit 31 jacks, yes he had 100+ rbi's...but beyond that Carlos was pretty middle of the road...so, if he decline even 5% he will be a burden on the team.. As for Hart or Cruz matching Carlos' numbers...it's definitely possible... Hart would likely get on base at a much higher clip and steal alot of bases...sort of like Overbay this year but fast....Nelson cruz could easily hit 20-30 hr's with a low obp just like carlos.. I'm not saying one or both wouldn't have supremem growing pains...but you can't tell me with certainty that Carlos Lee won't be worse next year either.. If Carlos Lee was a great player..I'd be in favor of extending him...but since he's just good...i think it's a bad idea...actually, a very bad idea...

everyone should quit responding to clancy's overbay to LF argument (if you really are tired of it) and Hrold, you should be wary that Brewerfan.net appreciates not having a huge amount of repetition from one poster harping on the same idea...