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  1. Yost said he asked Gagne if he could go. Gagne said he could. Regardless, it's the manager's decision to put him in there. Most of the time, an athlete isn't going to even know their tired unless it's one of those situations where they're huffing and puffing. It might seem odd , but I believe using a reliever for 10 less innings in April-August can make him stronger in September. When you pitch someone multiple days in a row without rest, it can have even more of an impact. That's the big picture, not this tiny little picture that says save opportunity = closer.
  2. Cutoff when I was a kid was September 1st, and my birthday was August 31st. So I was the youngest every year.
  3. That's also based on this idea that the "closer" has some sort of intense ability fight off pressure and win the game. I just don't see a huge difference between "closer" experience and "reliever" experience. What's the difference between bringing in a closer with a one run lead in the 9th and bringing in a reliever with a one run lead in the 7th? Either way, it's a pressure situation.
  4. 1. The fact that Fingers wasn't a traditional closer more proves the point that Gagne shouldn't have been used. Did the Brewers run Fingers out there every time there was a save opportunity so they could build his stats? That's my biggest beef with bullpen management...thinking that if it's a statistical save opportunity, you absolutely HAVE to pitch your closer. If the game was that easy, we wouldn't need managers in the first place. 2. Those pitches weren't flukes. He was leaving pitches up in the strike zone, like a tired pitcher would normally do, the entire inning. Plus his velocity was down. There really is no denying that he was tired. 3. Just because Simmons or Maddux or Castro say something to Ned to express disagreement doesn't mean that Ned listens. It could be everyone's fault, or it could be Ned's fault. But it can't be the fault of just one of the assistants by himself. Ned is the head guy, so if he takes idiotic advice from Maddux, then Ned is also an idiot for taking that advice. The reason Ned gets so much more grief about game decisions is because no matter what, he's involved in them.
  5. I thought Hardy was known for having a strong arm and not much range. Not sure why that projects well to 2B. I think Weeks will be fine and Escobar will eventually take over for Hardy. I suppose there's also the chance that Hardy could move to 3B and Hall could learn another new position.
  6. There was also no reason to sit perfectly healthy and energized relievers with the ability to hold a 2 run lead and put in a pitcher who pitched 3 days in a row. There is absolutely no reason to play the game this way. It's about probabilities. Managers seem to understand this about left/right splits for the most part, so why can't they understand this about their relievers? A rested Riske has a better probability of closing the game than Gagne on his 4th straight day. Maybe that's not obvious to anyone else, but it is to me. And again, if Shouse hadn't been wasted the day before, he would have been a perfect option with 3 lefties coming up after Encarnacion. Now we have the same situation where Gagne is basically wasted if we have a close game today. In my opinion, Ned is completely unprepared for anything after the inning that he's in.
  7. Gagne will get 40 saves this year by sheer will. I said this in the chat as well, TWR. Just because Coco saved 5 games in a row doesn't mean it was the right decision to pitch him 5 games in a row. Obviously there's a chance for any reliever to save 5 in a row, and there was a chance that Gagne could have saved today's game. That doesn't mean it's a good idea when the probability is most likely lower after each consecutive day.
  8. Well, it's not like Gagne is a completely healthy guy. With TJ surgery and a back/neck injury in the last 3 years, I would say he's someone to be a little careful with.
  9. Welcome back Yo. He pitched very well.
  10. I know we've gone over the fact that all managers do this, but I just don't think that's an excuse to use a reliever, any reliever, 4 games in a row. Stetter was dealing, and after Encarnacion there were 3 lefties in a row. Why not let him finish? Or, after the Encarnacion homer, bring in Shouse. Maybe Shouse had pitched too many days in a row, but this is where the move yesterday comes back to bite because Shouse was wasted in a situation that he wasn't needed. I also disagree that all managers bring in their closer in save situations no matter what. It's not obvious to me at all that this is necessary. Earlier this year I watched the end of a Cubs game and Lou was purposely keeping Wood out after he had pitched 2 days in a row. He had pitched April 5th and 6th, and on April 7th the Cubs and Pirates played 12 innings. Lieber had pitched 3 scoreless extra innings, and Marmol came in for the save. AFTER 2 DAYS. And it wasn't like Wood was struggling; he had dominated the 2 games before, only throwing 25 pitches combined. The announcers clearly explained that Lou didn't want Wood pitching, even though it was a save situation, for 3 games in a row. And please don't tell me that Ned is a better game manager than Lou.
  11. Plus he has the speed that he just might beat it out if he gets a good one down.
  12. I don't think the offstring of a Steinbrenner would ever sign this deal. Sorry TLB http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif
  13. I don't think anyone has ever projected Gross as anything more than a sub. Not this year anyway. But Gwynn doesn't project as anything more than a sub, either. I just don't understand where these magical statistics are that show us that Gwynn can be an average player. He's a speed/defense guy and I like him for that, but I don't think he's far superior to Gross just because Gross got a slow start and Gwynn got a fast start.
  14. I understand the sympathy for this...when he was 19. But by the time he signed that contract he could've come out with the truth. It's at that point that I think he's truly guilty of selfishness and greed. When he was 19 he may have found a way out of poverty, but when he was 30 and said he was 28 and signed a huge contract, there's no reason to lie anymore. I think he had found his way out of poverty by then.
  15. Those same stats that you posted also show why Shouse would have been great in the 9th against Dunn and Griffey. I'm not claiming to be better or smarter than Ned Yost, nor to have better information than him. It's my opinion that we would have gotten more use out of Shouse in the 9th, and given the situation I didn't think it paid to waste Shouse on one batter in the 7th, especially when I don't think that batter is yet as dangerous as either Dunn or Griffey, let alone both of them back-to-back.
  16. I'm headed there for the series at the end of August. Anyone have suggestions for what to do before and/or after the game around the stadium? Also, I couldn't find anything on the website about parking. Well, they had stuff, but it was pretty vague and basically just said, "Find a garage." Anyone know anything about the parking situation around the park and where the best spot is? I've heard walking over the Clemente bridge is a must...any truth to that?
  17. Greg Oden looks like he's 35, in my opinion.
  18. Not sure if this means anything, but earlier today I checked the probable pitchers on the Brewers website. At that time, Sheets spot in the rotation was "to be announced", and now his name is there for Wednesday.
  19. I think the recipe for being at the top of the division is having mediocre from #3 through #5 and having them play out of their minds. Can you name off-hand the #3 starter for the World Series teams for the last few years? I'll bet anything there are some teams in there with a #4 starter not much better than Dave Bush.
  20. As I've noted several times, the "second guessers" were second-guessing this BEFORE he gave up the home run. In no way has anyone questioned whether Shouse could have gotten Votto out. I was practically banking on it. I just thought that since Suppan was rolling, there was no need to waste a reliever on one batter when he could have been used in a later situation with, in my opinion, a much greater impact. So is he going to start pulling pitchers every time there's one runner on after the 7th inning? If the pitcher can't locate the strike zone and starts walking guys, then I would say it's time to pull him. If there are two outs, the pitcher is obviously not tired, and he gives up a fluke single, there's no reason to pull him.
  21. I thought you said that saying it was a bad move was essentially hindsight, even though it was said before anything bad happened, because our opinions are held to any accountability. I'm not claiming to have foresight, because I didn't expect a home run. But I also don't think it's hindsight since I'm not blaming Yost for the home run. Maybe I'm just reading it wrong, so please correct me if that's wrong. The situation was that NDOG pointed out that it was a move he disagreed with, regardless of the result. He was accused of using hindsight. I merely pointed out that there were several people complaining about the move before Shouse gave up the home run. I don't think anyone expected Shouse to give up the home run, and I don't think anyone is claiming that this was a bad move because Shouse was somehow likely to give up a home run (which he obviously wasn't). I just don't see how the opinions are using some form of hindsight when the disagreement happens before Shouse even threw a pitch. As for the "closer" thing, that's just a personal opinion of mine, which is why I ended it with a smiley face. I'm not saying that I don't want Gagne in there with the game on the line whenever possible, but since Gagne had pitched two days in a row already and Griffey and Dunn were likely coming up, I saw it as a situation that would be perfect for Shouse.
  22. Aww, that's too bad. I don't feel sorry for them.
  23. Since none of our opinions will be put up for any actual accountability (won't have an effect on the game), then why even bother posting? Why bother having a site where people can post their opinions if it's all hindsight even if it's said before the event? I know that my opinion won't have any effect on the game, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy that he pulled Suppan in that particular situation. He was at 85 pitches, he had one baserunner on a fluke single, and I imagine it's a good thing to save your relievers early in the year if you can. This is a situation where they definitely could have. I also agree with what GormanHarvey said in the IGT, which is that it just seems like he's trying to follow some kind of book and doesn't have a feel for the game. It wasn't like I thought Shouse was going to give up a home run. If I said that I would either be extremely lucky or the greatest scout in the history of baseball. I actually figured he would still get them out of the inning. I just thought they should have saved Shouse for later when Griffey and Dunn came up, probably in the 9th. Contrary to popular belief, the "closer" doesn't have to finish every single game that's a save opportunity...but that's a whole different gripe http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif
  24. You can even look at the IGT. There were plenty of people that were questioning the move before Shouse gave up the homer. This wasn't completely hindsight.
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