Bill, I did not mean to imply that others should share my woeful vision of the Brewers at this stage. Rather than say that you should not look for positives, I should rather have said that I don't view 10 hits as a positive, when it nets zero runs. Normally, I'd agree that yes, when we're getting 10+ baserunners in a game, that's a good sign, but that's the 2nd time it's happened in less than a week, en course to 2 shutouts. That's not encouraging to ME that we get 10+ runners a game and utterly fail to bring them around. I hope this clears things up a little, as I was NOT trying to convey that people (and specifically you Bill) should not look for positives, I was only disagreeing that 10 hits is a positive sign. Knowing that you love to debate this stuff, I'm hoping my clearing up of this issue will allow us to continue to beat this subject around. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif