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Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal · 2m The Astros are close to acquiring reliever Yimi García from the Marlins, sources tell me and @Dennistlin .

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 11m Sources: Trevor Story market has become more active in last 24 hours. #Yankees and #SFGiants among the interested clubs. San Francisco would love to add Story or Kris Bryant. @MLB @MLBNetwork

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal · 25s Source confirms: A’s getting Starling Marte. First: @CraigMish

For those of you asking me, who I would trade for bats?? First of all I definitely pursue, Bryant, Mancini, Story and Donaldson. I had mentioned that I didn't think it would cost nearly as much as some people thought. Though I can't give you specific names(though I will say NO minor leaguer is off the table for the right guy(s)) Here is a basis of which to go by. I don't think given this that anyone can say that any bat would be too expensive. Jon Heyman @JonHeyman · 2h Continue to hear it’s a real buyers market for position players. Lots of stars on market: Bryant, Story, Baez, Rizzo, Turner, Buxton, Marte, Escobar, Gallo, Peralta etc. Hearing of many offers of “B” level prospects for established “A” names. Contenders are focused on pitching.

Why not all of the above? Would seem to be reasonable to do without having to give up everything. Because I’m really starting to like the addition of Rowdy at 1B. I like Urias at 3B. And I don’t think either Wong or Adames could be upgraded. With Yelich, Cain, Garcia with Taylor and JBJ I’m probably good there too as it’d be hard to trade one of those guys to get an upgrade. Not only that but the Brewers have been scoring over 5 runs a game since the Adames trade. To me, that doesn’t warrant a panic move of getting rid of more home grown talent that will be cheap and controllable. If they could make minor moves to improve bench options and their pen/SP depth, I think that might be the best thing for them this year and longer term. I get that...I've just always been a believer that no matter the sport, the more talent you have, the better chance you give yourself. Acquire as much talent as you can and figure it out from there. I'm not convinced however that acquiring a big bat(s), is going to cost as much as some people anticipate. Seems to me, a lot of deals the last number of years, the return is underwhelming for some of these guys. It doesn't seem like anyone gets a systems top prospect(s) anymore. Heck, look at the weak return Colorado got for Arenado.

Why not all of the above? Would seem to be reasonable to do without having to give up everything.

Jon Heyman @JonHeyman · 10m Mariners players were upset to the point of tears. After their stirring comeback against first place Houston made it 4 straight wins and pushed them into to the race, the front office executed an alltime buzzkill — trading star closer Kendall Graveman, to Houston no less. Quote Tweet Ryan Divish @RyanDivish · 1h Updated Mariners trade story with player reaction. “Are you (expletive) kidding me? It never changes. They don’t care about winning. How do you trade him and say you care about winning? And you trade him to Houston? It never changes.” https://seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/mariners-trade-kendall-graveman-rafael-montero-to-astros-for-abraham-toro-joe-smith/

If Joey Bart is a realistic expectation for a 2 month rental of Kris Bryant, this is a big time seller's market. Follow up tweet: Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 7m Replying to @jonmorosi Bart, the former No. 2 overall pick, likely would be available only in a deal that involves players in addition to Bryant, a free agent after this year. Bryant would have great value to the Giants, with whom he could play 1B, 3B, and LF. @MLBNetwork @MLB

Starting to get a bit nervous...If Giants get Bryant, Pads already acquired Frazier, you know Dodgers will do something...again, you should never make moves because of what the competition is doing, but you must be mindful of it, I think. Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 52s Sources: The #SFGiants have spoken with the #Cubs about Kris Bryant, and the Cubs are evaluating 24-year-old catcher Joey Bart as one candidate to be requested on their side of the talks. Bart has a .904 OPS this year at Triple-A. @MLB @MLBNetwork

Ryan Divish @RyanDivish Dipoto said the trade doesn’t make sense as a stand alone trade but that it will with the succession of moves they want to make. 6:44 PM · Jul 27, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

Jeff Passan @JeffPassan · 1m The Houston Astros have acquired relievers Kendall Graveman and Rafael Montero from the Seattle Mariners for third baseman Abraham Toro and reliever Joe Smith, sources tell ESPN. An intra-division deal that lands Houston one of the best relievers in MLB this year in Graveman. Ryan Divish @RyanDivish Sources said the news of Graveman being traded to the Astros did not go over well in the Mariners clubhouse. 6:06 PM · Jul 27, 2021·Twitter Web App

Jon Heyman @JonHeyman Hear Anderson to Phillies trade has hit a snag. Not sure the cause. Robert Murray @ByRobertMurray · 1m Tyler Anderson is now throwing in the Pirates bullpen.

Here I thought you were just some random fan posting on an internet message board, I didn't realize you were offering absolute guarantees. Anyone have Mark A's phone number? Still four days to the deadline. It's never too late. Hey, it's no different than a vast majority here who absolutely adore "prospects". It's like they know for a fact they will end up being good. In fact, the way they talk about them(like they are gold) you would think they are guaranteeing they will be great.

"Brewcrewin07"] I think a lot of the reason you hate this time of year is likely because you set unrealistic expectations on the forthcoming moves which inevitably leads to being let down.

I think a lot of the reason you hate this time of year is likely because you set unrealistic expectations on the forthcoming moves which inevitably leads to being let down. You could reasonably argue that if the Brewers made no more moves right now, that they made the most impactful trade of the regular season of 2021 in acquiring Willy Adames. How are they unrealistic?? Because I actually expect the team I'm a fan of to play "big boy" baseball at the trade deadline and show the baseball world that they are serious about contending for a world series title and not being satisfied with a strategy of "let's just get to the playoffs and hope everything falls into place. They could make 5 moves and none of them work, and I'd be the 1st one applauding them for at least trying. I can absolutely guarantee you this much...if i ran this ball club, the trade deadline every year would be VERY exciting. I'd show everyone I'm not messing around. On top of that, I'd continue to win and NOT empty the farm. Plus, I'd be active in free agency and not do my shopping at walmart every offseason.

Jon Heyman @JonHeyman · 7m Scherzer’s preferred list of teams includes the Dodgers, Giants and Padres (and some others) but is said more about the ability to win this year and going forward (he’d like a team he could stay with) than geography. A bidding war betw the 3 NL West leaders is certainly possible.

How would mortgaging your future for a bunch of "all-in" moves not be considered "hope", though. I think you are focusing on the wrong word there. All these strategies have different levels of hope tied to them. Sure, I don't disagree with that, there are elements of "hope" tied into all of them. That being said, you can't predict the future. What if next year, the big 3, don't perform anywhere near as well?? What if one or two of them have career threatening injuries?? Taking as many bites of the apple is all well and good, BUT, that's making a lot of projections that are impossible to do. What we do know now, right here, today is the staff is healthy, and they have the best three pitchers they have ever had. To not TRY to take advantage of that right now while you can, and just casually say "well, let's be conservative and if we don't succeed, we can try again next year", is a total disservice IMO. What they do may not work this year either, and of course there's "hope" tied into it, but..it's betting on the "known"(all three pitchers healthy and good) now, as opposed to the "unknown", the future.

Perhaps not. But operating conservatively in an effort to give yourself as many bites at the apple as possible most definitely is. From Will Sammon's Athletic article: What can history tell us? The idea of giving yourself as many bites of the apple as you can sounds great in theory, but when has it ever really worked out? The Rays are probably the best example of nearly winning a title with this strategy. They advanced to the World Series last season and lost to the Dodgers, but they seem primed for another deep run this postseason. And that was even before they traded for Nelson Cruz on Thursday to bolster their lineup. Which utilizing this strategy continuously means also that "hope" is part of your strategy as well.

"Hope" is not a strategy.

This +1000. This is what i mean by sensing Stearns is gun shy. I mean none of us know for sure, but I think the perception that teams's asks for big name players is outrageous in most cases. I don't think that's the case at all. For example, it's not like the Rockies are going to say "Give us Hader for Story". The Rockies know that is never going to happen, and it would be disrespectful to even ask that from the Brewers. So, basing it on the assumption that teams aren't asking for playoff contenders best players(knowing that it's not going to happen), then to me, nothing is too cost prohibitive. You have to give to get. Besides, look at deals over the past years(for big names) and every time it seems when the details come out, the returns aren't nearly what most people expect they would be. In fact, typically far from it.

One player I could see the Brewers being willing to move in a deal for a bigger name that i think some teams would covet is Adrian Houser.

…. Or perhaps the demands were truly horrible for the Brewers? What if the Rockies asked for Hader in return for Story? Brewers inquire, Rockies put out a huge demand, no deal is made. I’d bet that’s how 80% of phone calls go this week. Not ‘gun shy’ at all. But I already said it's not like they will have to give up one of the 3 pitchers(Woody, Burnes, Peralta) or any other untouchables in the deal(Hader is in this category). But you also bring up another point..I can totally see Stearns and co doing this...they call the Rockies about Story, Rockies say "it will take Hader". Brewers say "okay thank you" and move on, rather then even engaging them in real negotiations to see if they can come to some sort of an agreement on terms both can agree with. You can't just hang up and figure the cost is too expensive, without even trying to negotiate. That's being gun shy. Again, I can totally see Stearns and co doing this in some situations. Saying nothing about the fact that you have no idea what is or is not being said in trade conversations, if you believe this is what the Brewer FO does then I don't know what to tell you. Well, let's put it this way...Yes, Stearns has made deals, some good, some bad(as all GM's do), but there is no doubt he has(thus far) proven to be no Doug Melvin as far as aggressiveness and making a deal(s), that shock baseball. Melvin seemed more of the type, he'd get his mind set on a certain player(Greinke, CC for example), zeroed in on them and did what he had to do to get it done. in other words, he wasn't walking away without that player. Stearns seems to be the much more passive type. Sure, he'll inquire about some big names, but rather than getting his mind set on that guy(s), and not being afraid to make sure he gets his guy, he'll go "well, let's see what else is out there". Once you do that, you aren't likely to go back to the big name guy. Much more passive vs. agressive.

…. Or perhaps the demands were truly horrible for the Brewers? What if the Rockies asked for Hader in return for Story? Brewers inquire, Rockies put out a huge demand, no deal is made. I’d bet that’s how 80% of phone calls go this week. Not ‘gun shy’ at all. But I already said it's not like they will have to give up one of the 3 pitchers(Woody, Burnes, Peralta) or any other untouchables in the deal(Hader is in this category). But you also bring up another point..I can totally see Stearns and co doing this...they call the Rockies about Story, Rockies say "it will take Hader". Brewers say "okay thank you" and move on, rather then even engaging them in real negotiations to see if they can come to some sort of an agreement on terms both can agree with. You can't just hang up and figure the cost is too expensive, without even trying to negotiate. That's being gun shy. Again, I can totally see Stearns and co doing this in some situations.

I actually hate this time of year...you hear about the Brewers inquiring about Donaldson, you hear them inquiring about Story, or other big names at the deadline, and they end up making some puddle jumper moves instead. Mostly because I assume they consider the price "cost prohibitive". Listen, in a year like this when you have the pitching you have, and the window you have, nothing should be too prohibitive. It's not like you'll have to give up one of the 3 pitchers, or any other untouchables in a deal. It just comes down to them being gun shy.