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Jon Heyman @JonHeyman · 27s Brewers checked in on Josh Donaldson. Seems like a long shot as he’s high-priced (owed $60M through ‘23) but they did try for Justin Turner in the offseason.

I mean the dude says they are looking to trade Cain before Saturday's deadline...one problem..the trade deadline is Friday. Guy has no clue what he's talking about

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 40s Sources: #Twins discussing José Berríos in trade talks with multiple teams, including #Padres and #Dodgers. @MLBNetwork

https://fansided.com/2021/07/26/mlb-trade-deadline-rumors-brewers-angels/ “We are close to being a legit contender,” one high-ranking Brewers executive said. “If we can add some valuable pieces, we could legitimately win this thing.” “We have affordable pitching and in our situation,” the executive said, “we should be doing whatever it takes to go for it and take advantage of this window.”

This is such an embellishment. Who here wouldn't love it if they added a big bat to the lineup? Basically everyone would. Wanting them to add some good help, while being disciplined enough not to say "who cares what it costs in prospects", so you don't end up giving up the next Woodruff or Burnes for short-term help, is a balancing act. Who says it has to be short term help?? It doesn't have to be a rental you know? I mean the Padres just acquired Frazier, and he's not a rental. There is zero chance that Adam Frazier is the type of player you have been begging them to sell the farm for. My point with Frazier was the idea that people seem to think the bat they acquire would be a short term rental..It doesn't have to be. Frazier isn't. That was my point. There are others that aren't as well.

Believe me, I get all that, but they have a window THIS year with three of the best Pitchers in baseball and no one knows if they will perform anywhere near this level next year. If you don't "go for it" now, then when?? Getting in the playoffs is great, but it's about winning a title. There are no guarantees obviously, but they also can't be afraid to go "all in", and I'm afraid they will be. If they acquire a big bat(s) and it doesn't work, I will be the first to applaud them for trying. They can't sit on their hands and hem and haw about whether a price is too much to pay. If they don't try to capitalize on the opportunity they have right now, they may never get it again.

This is such an embellishment. Who here wouldn't love it if they added a big bat to the lineup? Basically everyone would. Wanting them to add some good help, while being disciplined enough not to say "who cares what it costs in prospects", so you don't end up giving up the next Woodruff or Burnes for short-term help, is a balancing act. Who says it has to be short term help?? It doesn't have to be a rental you know? I mean the Padres just acquired Frazier, and he's not a rental.

I'll tell you what...you all ******** about Yelich and pretty much all the other batters in this lineup, and then most of you don't want them to acquire a big bat?? You can't have it both ways. Who cares what it costs in prospects.

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 5m The #Padres are working to acquire a starting pitcher, sources say. Adam Frazier probably won't be the last acquisition they make before Friday's deadline. @MLB @MLBNetwork

Mark Feinsand @Feinsand · 7m The Mariners are making a push to trade for INF/OF Whit Merrifield of the Royals, sources tell me and @DKramer_. Merrifield is under control through 2023 at a reasonable cost (approx. $10M over 2 years incl. ‘23 option) and offers positional versatility, a good bat & great speed.

I am not at all saying trades should ever be based on what the competition is doing, but I do think the Brewers need to be mindful of moves like this by other playoff contenders.

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 8m The #Mariners are one team to watch on José Ramírez. Seattle has a rich farm system and flexibility at 2B/3B in the near and medium term. Jerry Dipoto always is ready to deal. And if he makes a significant move, it needs to be for a controllable player. @MLBNetwork @MLB

Once again, there's a reason they're doing this professionally and we're posting on an internet message board. And your part here is baseball straight out of 1997 rather than modern-day thinking. The Brewers are winning with modern-day thinking. Those that are stuck in the old way of doing this are lagging behind. There may be some truth in what you're saying, I won't dispute that. However, I'm the type of guy(admittedly don't pay much attention to analytics), who would base these things(acquisitions etc) on pure talent, over anything #'s might tell me. Now there's lots of things that go into it of course, age, injury history etc. But I'm going to bet on pure talent over all else. If a talented player has had a couple of years of struggling(like Yelich for example), I'm going to look at the #'s and compare them to say (random player...Avi Garcia), I'm sure Avi's #'s are better in many ways, but even though Yelich's #'s aren't as good as Avi's analytically I know on a pure talent basis Yelich is better and I'd bank on him turning it around more than I would Avi continually being better than Yelich(according to the #'s). In my mind, in any sport, there is no substitute for pure talent, because in the end, more often than not, talent will win out in the end.

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi · 12m José Ramírez could be available at the @MLB trade deadline, with Cleveland losing tonight for the 5th time in 6 games and falling to .500. Ramírez's contract includes affordable team options for 2022 and 2023, so the club could wait until the offseason to move him. @MLBNetwork

Haven't said that once. Don't put words in my mouth, please. At this point, I've more than made mine. The Brewers will make smart deadline moves that will make the team better. Some will hate every one because it's not the 'name' player they have on their short list. And the Brewers will make their fourth consecutive post-season run. Sooner or later, people will start to acknowledge that the front office does know more than us, because they do. They know more than any of us, without a doubt. My way may not be the right way, because again nothing is guaranteed, but I'm playing the odds in my thinking. I'm more than happy to play the odds that the better player you acquire, the better the production you will get. Of course it doesn't always work that way, but you know what else?? You will never know if you don't try. And if they do make a big move(s) and it doesn't work out, I will gladly applaud them for at least giving it a shot. It's the not even attempting it that bothers me. As I say, "scared $$ don't make $$". I do think sometimes this front office is too caught up in analytics and numbers...they aren't the be all end all. Numbers can say whatever you want them to say. Sometimes you just need to go with instinct, intuition, common sense and your gut. Different sports yes, but look at the Bucks..they went "all in" knowing Giannis and Midds needed a third guy, so they essentially gave up the farm to get Jrue Holiday not knowing at the time if it would work or not. They also went into the luxury tax thresh hold again without knowing if it would work. They took a calculated risk and it worked. Do you think for one second that they have any regrets about going over the luxury tax thresh hold or giving up all those #1 picks for Jrue?? I can absolutely assure you they do not, and never will. The title pays for itself many times over. Baseball and NBA are structured differently obviously, but my whole point of using the Bucks was the "all in" mentality/strategy. I'm also fairly certain that had it not worked, this coming year they would have made some moves to change things up and gone after it again. The Packers on the other hand have been totally opposite. Not once have they gone "all in" with Arodg at QB. They rested on their laurels, thought "we are good enough" and they have won one freaking SB with him at QB in all these years. What if they would have "mortgaged" the farm and went for it last year(like TB did)?? Or other years?? Would that have guaranteed they won it?? Nope. But I'm pretty certain I can say if they would have done that, they wouldn't be in the predicament they are now with an unhappy Arodg who's issues stem from the fact that they have never really "gone for it" in his time there.

You do understand that you have advocated for trading all of Woodruff, Peralta, and Burnes at various times over the last 3+ years when they were just prospects in "thinking big" moves for short term help, and that if we had followed this approach we wouldn't be in any position to go for anything right now. I have, but the biggest misnomer people have here is that i automatically want these moves to be short term moves. Nothing could be further from the truth. You can acquire guys that have service time available, it's been done many times in baseball, and you know what else?? Even perceived short term guys don't have to be short term guys. So now this is when I get reminded for the billionth time that the Brewers are a "small market" yadda yadda yadda. So f'n what?? You can be in a small market, and not act like you're in a small market. I don't EVER EVER EVER want to hear again about the payroll and how it can only be so high...it's total BS. The payroll can be whatever Mark A chooses it to be, but it doesn't HAVE to be that, yet everyone thinks it can ONLY be xxx or xxx. If i was a multi millionaire or billionaire and owned a pro sports franchise, it would essentially be a hobby for me. In all honesty, if I brought in enough to pay the bills, cover payroll every year and made $100 or lost tens of thousands every year when all is said and done, so be it. I wouldn't be in it to make money. I'd be in it for the glory and world championships.

Do you know how many World Series titles the Dodgers' won with an 'all-in' mentality and a payroll more than twice the Brewers' payroll? One. In a covid-shortened weird season. You seem to think that emptying the farm is going to guarantee a World Series. It's absolutely not. You seem to forget that though the Sabathia trade was a huge deal for the franchise, they literally didn't even win a playoff series that year, let alone make a World Series run. I don't think anything is guaranteed, I have said that repeatedly. But you know what I do know for a fact?? Prospects are just that...prospects. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. You know what else I know?? I will always take proven talent over unknown talent all the time. Now this is where you'll chime in with "but but but the Brewers are a small market yadda yadda yadda". You're only a small market if you act like one. Would anyone take what the Royals have been through?? They got a world series title and haven't been good since then. I say so the hell what. I'd take that every single time.

But you know who else was a difference maker? Willy Adames. And you HATED that deal. What you're criticized for here is the fact that you have a few players in mind for who you want to acquire, and immediately hate anything else the team does. Yet, the front office has proven time and time again that they're really good at what they do. So, they'll evaluate potential deals and make the ones that make sense to them, and that's how it SHOULD work. Fans on a message board are just that. Our front office is paid to run the franchise, and they do it very well. How many world series appearances do they have with this mentality or titles have they won?? I'll hang up and listen. yes, I didn't think Adames would have the impact he has, I was wrong, but that's all the more reason to "go for the jugular".

I'm always criticized here for wanting the Brewers to go big/think big. But you guys mentioning Freddy Freeman, makes me giddy. THIS is more the mentality I wish everyone had here. That's a difference maker. Period. Doesn't it feel good to be on the side of realizing going big is the most exciting AND the likeliest(no guarantees) path to where we all ultimately want them to go?? It just doesn't make sense to NOT have that mentality when you have the pitching staff and the window the crew currently has. I'm proud of all of you that have brought up Freeman! By the way, some people want to know what thinking "big" is to me...it's guys that have been mentioned here, Kris Bryant, Freddie Freeman,Joey Gallo, Trey Mancini, even Max Scherzer would make me giddy. Guys like Aguilar, CJ Cron etc, do nothing for me, and I don't think would have the major impact on them that is needed. No one here I'm sure forgets the big acquisition of CC Sabathia and what he did for the Brewers. That's what they should be shooting for...guys that can make that type of an elite impact, because they have an even better window now then they did then.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/columnists/tom-haudricourt/2021/07/23/milwaukee-brewers-assess-options-trade-deadline-nears/8070227002/ "Big" in this case is very much in the eye of the beholder. Grabbing a well-known guy, as you are obviously advocating, is definitely not the only key to a successful trade season. As Stearns says, sometimes those under-the-radar moves are the ones that make the most difference. Move such as Pomeranz and Jordan Lyles in the past. Moves that were both panned pretty viciously here, but turned out to be extraordinary. I mean, and it's no offense to anyone here, but a lot of this board are huge analytics nerds. There's nothing wrong with that. But, when it comes to trades, you don't have to know analytics to know that the better of a player(more talented) you acquire, the more likely you are to get better production. Again, there are no guarantees with anything, but for example(and it's JUST an example people), if Team A acquires Vlad Guerrero jr for the stretch run, and team B acquires Eric Sogard, which team is more likely to get better production down the stretch? Now granted, it may not necessarily end up that way, but don't you always want to tilt the odds in your favor as much as possible?? Simple logic. Simple logic was trading for a big bat in Jonathan Schoop a few years back, analytics be damned. Sometimes acquiring the "big name bat" doesn't work. Schoop wasn't a "big name" bat. Not in the realm of a Mancini, or a Rizzo, or a Bryant or Gallo would be.

"Big" in this case is very much in the eye of the beholder. Grabbing a well-known guy, as you are obviously advocating, is definitely not the only key to a successful trade season. As Stearns says, sometimes those under-the-radar moves are the ones that make the most difference. Move such as Pomeranz and Jordan Lyles in the past. Moves that were both panned pretty viciously here, but turned out to be extraordinary. I mean, and it's no offense to anyone here, but a lot of this board are huge analytics nerds. There's nothing wrong with that. But, when it comes to trades, you don't have to know analytics to know that the better of a player(more talented) you acquire, the more likely you are to get better production. Again, there are no guarantees with anything, but for example(and it's JUST an example people), if Team A acquires Vlad Guerrero jr for the stretch run, and team B acquires Eric Sogard, which team is more likely to get better production down the stretch? Now granted, it may not necessarily end up that way, but don't you always want to tilt the odds in your favor as much as possible?? Simple logic.

Others may interpret this differently, but reading between the lines here...Doesn't seem to me like Stearns is going to do anything big. https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/columnists/tom-haudricourt/2021/07/23/milwaukee-brewers-assess-options-trade-deadline-nears/8070227002/

Will Sammon with a great article in the Athletic today https://theathletic.com/2723962/2021/07/22/will-the-playoff-destined-brewers-make-a-trade-bold-enough-to-follow-in-the-bucks-footsteps/ This right here is EXACTLY what i have been saying...Sammon is 100% correct: You play to win the World Series, not just to be pretty good every year. The Brewers’ current situation is ideal — it’s not promised to be that way for long. The best approach is going for it while you know it’s within reach. Yup!! The idea of giving yourself as many bites of the apple as you can sounds great in theory, but when has it ever really worked out? Another grand slam by Sammon! The argument here is that they should. It doesn’t have to be a rental. But it should be the kind of move that takes advantage of the present opportunity: go for it and acquire a missing piece. Such a trade worked out well for another local team that signaled all in. Last November, the Bucks traded Eric Bledsoe, two future first-round draft picks and the right to swap two additional first-round picks for Jrue Holiday. Different sports. Different circumstances. Same general idea. Judging from the parade Thursday, it seems to have worked out well.

I just want to remind you that you were all-in on trading Burnes and Peralta for immediate help two years ago at the deadline. You can't run an organization with nothing but the here and now in mind. That will run a franchise into the ground. No but you also can't "half ass" it when you have a legit chance like they do now. If that's what you are going to do, then what's the point?? You can't rest on your laurels and think "well, IF this happens, or we think this will happen the rest of the way" and HOPE you're right. You also can't run an organization on "we think, and we hope" and not do everything you possibly can to capitalize on an opportunity when it presents itself. You know what sitting on your hands and "not going big" gets you?? Look at the Packers and the Arodg situation. That's what it gets you. It's a different sport, sure, and I'm not saying a Brewer would be so upset he asks to be traded etc, but...the Packers also had chances to "go for it" under Arodg, and haven't. What has that gotten them?? Meanwhile, the Bucs signed Tom Brady and "went for it", and lo and behold..The Bucks traded 3 first round picks for Jrue Holiday, traded for PJ Tucker etc....they essentially "went for it"..lo and behold. No guarantees of course, but you absolutely HAVE to put yourself in the best position possible when you think you have a chance. If you don't, your doing your organization a huge disservice IMO.

Jon Heyman @JonHeyman · 19m Rival execs suggest they believe that while the Cubs will sell big (Bryant, Kimbrel, Davies, others seem likely to go) there’s a solid chance they hold Javier Baez and/or Anthony Rizzo. They are expected to try to sign them at some point but there’s no known contract talks lately