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Another nice sign is that Davis in only 220 at bats has nearly as many walks already (28) as he had in 500 at bats last year with just 32 walks. With 11 home runs now, he's hitting them at a rate of roughly 25 had he gotten 500 at bats. His .786 OPS is 3rd best on the team and 4th best had Parra not been traded. Some people for whatever reason think he's really only a platoon bat, but his stats over his big league career so far show that he actually hits righties better than lefties. Davis is already 28, so he older than the norm for a player in only his 3rd big league season. That said, he has a career .787 OPS over 271 games, right where his OPS sits this season. Odds are that's right around where he projects going forward, in that .750-.825ish range as can fluctuate from year to year for many players. These next few seasons should be his prime years though and thus if i was another team with a real need for some power in leftfield next year and would prefer a financially cheap guy, i'd view Davis as a reasonably appealing option, depending on what the Brewers asked for in return. He tends to be streaky, but give Davis 500-550 at bats, i'd bet that he finishes around 25 homers, is in that .775-.800 OPS range and maybe a bit higher if he keeps walking at this improved rate. Given he'll be very cheap next season and under team control for three years, there is value in production like that without having to fork out a lot of money so that cash could be spent elsewhere.

I agree somewhat. During day games i went a few times with groups where tickets were bought ahead of time and i absolutely hate being stuck in a seat where the roof is blocking the sun. I love warm weather and especially the sun on me. Not that i want County Stadium back, but i loved in my younger days sitting in those bleachers on a hot and sunny summer day. Gotta have a roof though in this climate and no park with a roof will feel the same as an open air stadium, even with the roof open. Plus, as much as i love the sun, many others don't and they can buy seats which keep them in the shade most or all through a day game when it's hot.

I get wanting to have as many high OBP guys as possible, but that still is only one aspect of a players skillset, albeit an important one. All players need to be evaluated on every aspect they bring to the table on offense and defense, when compared to the majority at their position. FWIW, i don't say that specifically in defense of either or both of Segura/Scooter. I think it's only a matter of when not if Segura is traded given Arcia is clearly the shortstop of the future, be it some point next season or the year after. Scooter is only a decent spare part type given he's below average defensively, so batting average dependent, and can't hit lefties. He is a good hitter vs righthanders though and cheap, so if he is playing a lot next year, i won't fret over that much. Hopefully by the time the Brewers are ready to compete again, the team will have found a more well rounded guy to play second.

Great to see Jungmann with yet another good start. His 8th straight start giving up three runs or less.

He may not even want to be here long term. Luc made it clear in that interview how badly he wants to win sooner than later and with the team rebuilding, he very well could prefer getting traded to a contender vs signing an extension. If a team made a good offer for Luc, i'd trade him.

K-Rod has another year on his deal, unlike Broxton who had a buyout.

I feel the opposite. I would like to see Toronto make the playoffs, but not for the sake of their front office at all. My reason is the Toronto fans. It would have to be devastating for their hardcore fans to see the GM trade away their farm system and get nothing out of it. Those fans would be sick to their stomachs for quite a while. I should would.

And we won what with that all world player? I think you are being far too critical of him. You don't like WAR? Fine. You know what? I'm not a fan of it myself, especially when it comes to historical data compilation. It might be an imperfect measurement, but it's a good quick look gauge on a player's overall performance. And there are few players over the last few years who have been a better combination of offense, defense, and base stealing than Gomez. That is what the Astros are banking on. No kidding, MLB isn't the NBA where one truly great player can turn a mediocre or even bad team into a good one largely just by himself. That simply doesn't happen in baseball, regardless of how great that baseball player is. Mike Trout is the best player in the game, yet put him say on the Philles and they wouldn't make the playoffs. He may not ever win a ring. Since my days watching baseball, the only player who by himself tilted the field in his team's way in a such dramatic way was Bonds at the height of his roids and incredible hitting skills days. Those 1.300 plus and even 1.400 OPS numbers which highly likely will never come close to being touched again. As for Gomez and my feelings for him, it was a remarkable turnaround. I hated him as a player and hated that trade when his hitting terrible. He seemed a lost cause at the plate. Once he turned that around though, it allowed me to take the hater blinders off and then see all of the great attributes of Carlos the person. His always try very hard attitude, regardless if the Brewers were down say 8-9 runs. The joy he showed playing the game which many don't show. The obvious love all of his teammates had for him. Never complaining at all about accepting his 3 yr contract extension. By then he became my favorite Brewer and i would love to see him not just in the playoffs, but shining in them. The Astros became the team i hope wins it all this year.

I'm to lazy right now to research those players you wanted compared to what the Brewers actually got, but in real baseball trade discussions, one side doesn't get to decide on whoever they want and the other team will just say sure, pick who you want. One frustrating thing to me on many sports forums being it baseball, basketball, or football, often a number of fans will post stuff like "we should have gotten X player/players instead"or if one seller got what seems like an especially good return for a veteran player traded, fans on forums of other sellers will start screaming stuff like "our GM is an idiot for not getting that prospect for a player our team was shopping", just totally assuming that the buying team would have wanted our player instead. With so much media today and social media, so many "rumors" get thrown out there about supposedly teams talking and over certain players, but then when actual trades do or don't happen, a big chunk of those rumors were mostly something for claimed insiders to put out there so they themselves get noticed. Unfortunately for hardcore sports fans who absolutely love stuff like trades, the draft, and/or the offseason with free agency, team front offices talk with others a ton when it comes to just feeling things out for maybe a trade later or when trade discussions get very serious, but we fans only hear a sliver at best about 1. What teams really talked with each other. 2. When talking, were the trade discussions serious. 3. If serious, what players were involved on both sides. 4. What team/GM said no and why did they say no which could involve a variety of factors. 5. Did ownership get involved and block a deal over money or say not wanting to rebuild seriously. Nothing brings traffic to sports forums like trade deadlines/rumored trades in general, drafts, free agency, etc, yet sadly we only get to hear a tiny fraction of what teams talked out with others. That's frustrating, but at the same time exciting and leads to people constantly checking online to see if something went down or any new rumor, regardless if it's likely based on little to no substance. This stuff is the crack/meth for sports junkies.

I would agree. Where's the 5th prospect? I'm happy the team gets 2 top 100 types and maybe a 3rd who's lost sparkle. The 4th guy's a throwin. Gomez was worth 2 top 100s and Fiers worth 1 for sure, both then would be worth throw-ins in trade. I feel Gomez worth 3 prospects and Fiers worth 2. We got 4 not 5 prospects. It's kinda like forgetting the QO prospect once again by Melvin. Quality type of players like AJ Reed or Derek Fisher or Joe Musgrove. Prospects picked just slightly lower than what they'll be when they give Gomez the QO. So we probably should have walked away with Joe Musgrove, but managed not to. The trade deadline was closing fast. Maybe had Melvin demanded more, the Astros could have walked away and who knows if there would have been another serious suitor for Gomez. This is the very tough and very scary balancing act which every seller GM finds themselves in as the deadline closes in. They on one hand want to get maximum value for the player/players they are shopping, but if there are only a limited number of teams interested in your player, you can potentially end up scaring away the most interested buyer with your demands and as a result, get stuck not being able to trade that player and/or get less in return from another team. This likely happens a lot where a seller simply tried getting to much and instead got nothing. We can't ignore either that Gomez is having a down year compared to last season, which had to negate his value to at least some degree. In the end, this return to me sure beats the chance that the Brewers may have gotten stuck with no trade for Gomez after that debacle with the Mets.

Cleveland is 8 games under .500 and thus very unlikely to make the playoffs, so why would they be aggressive in going after Gomez now, even with him being under contract for next season? Well there were reports that the Indians were very interested in Gomez. It's not as if they can get him for a bag of peanuts. I was only wondering out loud why Cleveland would give up a lot for Gomez. It just seems odd to me.

Cleveland is 8 games under .500 and thus very unlikely to make the playoffs, so why would they be aggressive in going after Gomez now, even with him being under contract for next season?

I sure hope this is wrong or the trade value for Gomez could plummet.

A trade like like within the division would be extremely unlikely...nearly impossible. I'd be fine with trading Gomez to the Cardinals if an offer was good. Gonna be awhile before the Brewers are as good as the Cardinals.

Yes that could be interesting. Even worse if somehow Gomez never gets traded at the deadline or in the offseason.

Or maybe the Mets were the only team to submit a serious offer. I get why fans are pessimistic given Attanasio is our owner and a full out rebuilding plan is something he seems to loathe the idea of, but for now at least, we can only guess if other teams made an offer for Carlos and if so, who were the players offered.

If they traded for Gomez would they just bench Juan Lagares who is a good defensive CF, but a bad hitter?

Conjecture & hyperbole. Every team competes every year. Come on. Why go out of your way to ignore the obvious in how some teams around the league choose to put together their roster's each given season, with clear differing agendas from others. When for example the Cubs and Astros purposely stripped down for multiple years as they went about building up their farm systems at the expense of their big leagues rosters, they weren't trying to "compete" during those years as most other teams in the league were, or as they currently are by trading prospects for veterans instead of selling off almost any veteran of value for prospects. There is zero conjecture or hyperbole in that reality.

As much as i want the team to land some quality young arms if trades do get made, i agree in not wanting the team either to get so set on pitching that they were to accept noticeably lesser value simply to target pitching over position players. When teams make trades for prospects, it's far from a given that those prospects will pan out for a variety of reasons. The by far most important factor when making a trade/trades is that some of those prospects actually pan out in the majors at some point. You'll never hear a baseball GM complain that he just has to many talented players if there become a logjam of varying degrees at a position or two. That allows a savvy GM a variety of options. Unfortunately as fans we never get to listen in on trade discussions between the Brewers and other teams, so when a trade is really made or talks fizzle out, we don't get to know if potentially X trade offer was turned down at the same time the finished trade was made instead. Or if a certain player simply didn't draw the type of offers we as fans assumed. If the Brewers turned down say two offers for a player like Gomez and what exactly was offered to where it made sense to say no or the Brewers seemed to be expecting to much.

This is why like everyone else , i'd like to see some trades before the deadline, but i'm much more focused on what happens after the season at GM. We've read that Attanasio is supposedly going to hire a new GM after the season. Two factors related to that will have vastly more impact on the franchise going forward vs who we trade or don't trade at the deadline. 1. Who does Attanasio pick to replace Melvin. 2. How much power exactly does Attanasio give that GM to shape the team in the manner he sees fit from year to year and on that front, will Mark only hire a GM that shares Attanasio's vision each year? On point two, even if worst case only say Parra and Cotts were traded before the 31st, a new GM in the offseason wold still have plenty of options to shape the direction of the team. All of Gomez, Lind, Lucroy, Segura, etc would still be under team friendly contract terms, available to be shopped by that new GM if allowed to be Attanasio. Clearly, Gomez and Lind would lose that half of a season of value given they only have one year left on their contracts. A team trading for Gomez in the offseason though would still be in line to get a comp pick if he wasn't re-signed, increasing his value if traded then. So as much as i'd like to see a really active trade deadline for the Brewers, the biggest franchise changing decision/decisions will be made after the season when Attanasio first decides if to replace Doug, who that replacement is, and if that new guy continues having Attanasio playing a quasi-GM role as he's done with Melvin.

Ennder, I think you, me, and logan82 should start our own splinter group, because we seem to be the most rational and least over-reactionary around here. The Royals biggest needs were 2B (Infante's .559 OPS) and corner OF (Gordon injured, Rios .625 OPS), and Zobrist can play all three of those positions. Parra can't play 2B - arguably the Royals biggest need now that they have their ace - so it's not comparable. Yea, you need another team to really want your player before trade discussions can even get started and there are going to be other sellers out there with players who might fit a bigger need. How much demand there is or Parra is hard to know.

You can feel the Brewers spent poorly on free agents, but teams can't just spend whatever they want on international young players. There are assigned amounts per team. You can't decide to spend say 35 million on a big horde of international young players vs signing a free agent. Cuban players being the exception. As for wanting the team to truly rebuild instead, maybe try writing/sending emails to Attanasio if he accepts them. He's the main guy who will decide if the team only trades spare parts like Ramirez and Parra, hoping yet again to catch lightning in the bottle next year with only a few tweaks to the roster.

Marc Carig ‏@MarcCarig 12m12 minutes ago Interesting that Casey Meisner is the one to go in this deal. I’m told he was the Mets pitchers Brewers wanted in Parra deal.

I'm guessing that the Brewers are gonna get more out of Pittsburgh than they would from other teams considering that it's an in-division trade. I'll be very disappointed if that isn't the case. Not expecting a Top 100 Prospect of course, but this shouldn't just be a throwaway deal, the Brewers should get at least a prospect with realistic MLB bullpen potential in return Why? He's old and very overpaid. Maybe if we picked up nearly penny he's being paid we'll get a marginal prospect.

Almost every team in baseball has drafted and developed pitching better than the Brewers have for a really long time, excluding some better results of late. Tampa isn't alone in that. It's almost hard to draft as poorly as the Brewers have at pitching over what, two decades or so. The farm system though is starting to show some promise again, which is very refreshing. Hopefully a trade or two/three at the deadline adds to that promise, along with a new GM being named after the season. I feel somewhat optimistic so long as Attanasio doesn't meddle to much..