I have to agree, we didn't lose 16 wins worth of players and if anything the team probably underperformed last year as a unit. I'd say losing Sabathia, Sheets and Torres is probably around a 10 win drop with an added win or two from Gallardo being healthy and a win or 2 from losing Turnbow, Gagne, Riske being healthy, Hall sitting more vs righties etc. So we are looking at something like a .500 team or maybe a game or two over .500.