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Joe Kelly suspended for 14.5% of the remaining season
OldSchoolSnapper replied to homer's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
It is harsh, but I think part of the reason is that they simply can't have a brawl and if everyone keeps throwing at the cheaters that's only a matter of time. -
I think that we are saying the same thing, sorta. By inflexible I meant that they give little thought to why someone else might still be going to point A or B, and conversely why someone else might be terrified to leave their house. It tends to be lumped into either being careless or a snowflake, when there is a lot of room in the middle for why a person makes a choice.
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The least flexible people I encounter are those who a) Loved being homebodies before COVID and b) Haven't sacrificed anything whatsoever and are still drawing paychecks. The irony of it is that they are the first to say their beliefs are dictated by doing what's best for our society, yet they show the least empathy of anyone.
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The constant thought in the back of my head that this gets axed this week, next week or at the end of September is really making it harder to invest as a fan. I've watched every game, but I'm questioning whether I want to invest in this at this point.
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College is even worse. Contrary to what many people think of the NCAA the fact is that most athletes do go to class. They are around a ton of people. There is some ability to mitigate this virtually but that's just one piece of it. The pros are too, but it's somewhat easier to control. It's just a ton of people, a ton of interaction, and the on-field contact is actually less of an issue than the rest of it in my opinion. If MLB limps to a finish, the NFL will probably run with that.
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I saw the Packers lost their big FA WR (lol). I am very skeptical the NFL has a season. Maybe one where the start date is pushed back. This just sounds like a logistics nightmare and if a big star pulls out it could just keep rolling. Of course the TV money involved with football gives it a chance. But I just can't see it.
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Is this professional baseball?
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Again it's understandable to have those fears and if they want to go home, go home. But seriously, what did they think was going to happen? They wanted to play but didn't want to do the bubble plan. These guys are talking out of both sides of their mouth, they want to be kept safe, but they want their freedoms. Did they really think they were all going to hang out and travel together and nothing like this was going to happen? They are naive if they are surprised about this. If they wanted to opt out of it, they should have done so from the beginning. And just be glad you have that option. Many of us have fears and anxiety about it. Most of us don't have the luxury of even getting to decide whether it's worth the risk or not. We have to work to survive, you do not. (Braun and many other MLBers) Most travel has been grounded for some time and many of these guys live in gated communities of mansions. There has been little need or ability to leave their comfy zone for months so I would guess that for many of the players the reality of the situation was not really apparent. Until they actually had to leave and now it's all around them. It's one thing to read the news, it's another to see your teammates test positive.
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And the Packers think they'll have 12k fans at games. Ok, lol.
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I dunno. We're 5 months or so into this. The realist part of my head is telling me that the time to stop it with our measures has long passed and this is what we have now. Maybe that means baseball is done by this weekend. But we are so fractured and incapable of unifying to do anything I just do not have confidence in our ability to alter the trajectory at all. Without the bubble I just don't see how any league can keep it under control.
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They really put the wet blanket on getting sports back rather quickly.
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Exactly what I was saying. It has nothing to do with the % of total MLB players = 14. It's way too many guys on one team.
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There are a lot of assumptions in that post. We really wouldn't know which teams are taking it more seriously than others. There could be teams with their own internal policies/strong suggestions as to where you go and who you meet with. If Christian Yelich is isolating on his own time it doesn't make much of a difference if he adheres to a strict mask policy. If the team is constantly isolated among itself the actual importance of the masks declines. There's definitely room for improvement based on the games I saw this weekend. But we just don't really know who's doing what off the clock. For all we know 10 Marlins went to a nightclub last week.
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I think that sentence meant that if THAT outbreak gets into another clubhouse (Philly) it's a new conversation. There will be more positive tests. The game is how fast you identify and contain them. 14 cases is not containing.
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Threads are beginning overlap here but the lack of consistent messaging from the overlords did not help this at all. However, I could have told you that the US was built to handle this miserably. There aren't a lot of countries that have a vastly different culture within their own borders simply by traveling 40 miles from one spot to another. It's one of the reasons I've been more on the side of letting the chips fall where they may. It's that not I think it's what's best, it's that I'm a realist first and foremost and I have no confidence in our culture to do what would have been necessary to stop this at the start.
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I think it depends. If the Phillies come back with 9 positives then we're toast.
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The Marlins knew of their health issues, went out there, and played. The players wanted to play and did so. People can blame Manfred, but it is foolish to think these players care more about protecting their health than making money. Price can blame Manfred, but watch every team around the league not social distance in the dugout, on the field, giving high fives, and many more things. I can only imagine what they do when they aren’t on TV. Manfred is not the cause of any outbreak across the league. That’s on the players and teams not taking enough precautions. Exactly, and they spent months quibbling over money and refused a bubble. Price can step off his soapbox.
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Well, their entire country hasn't hit 300 deaths yet.
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I don't think the actual contact of the sport is very relevant, I've thought for months that was the most overstated factor in getting sports to re-start. It's all the other stuff that takes place outside of the game. It's just one small consideration in a 10k-piece puzzle. Football teams are enormous though, without even considering the nature of the sport itself. Even isolating one team is a huge chore. I just can't see football happening in any form.
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While they should wear the masks in the dugout and stop doing obviously counterproductive things like post-game high-fives, I think that would mostly be for perception. Once the camera is off and six guys are playing Xbox and splitting a pizza this thing would spread around anyway. Right now we should hope that no Phillies got it. It would be a positive sign if they completed a series without transmitting it and obviously less of an impediment to moving on. I'm with adam though. If you cancel it now, after this, the restart was a joke.
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I don't follow. If this was going to end the season they never should have started in this first place. Something like this was extremely likely to happen. Pinning down who has it and isolating those folks is what matters. I really don't think they'll white flag it right away. The NBA has an ideal situation with team size and the ability to bubble, but with baseball and football I was expecting this.
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If they didn't build this into the plan then they were living in a fantasy world. They had to have discussed how to handle an outbreak like this happening.
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25-28 wins is significantly different than the original statement that all a team needs is 25 wins. In a 60 game season a difference of 3 games is like a difference of 8 games in a 162 game season. I would say that a team with 28 wins is maybe 50-50 and a team with 25 wins is most likely out. I think this is close to accurate. The 98-99 NBA season had 50 games, 16 teams, and nobody was below .500 in the field. Worst team was 25-25. Not a perfect comp by any means, but decent.
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It would be more likely in the Central, wouldn't it? There's not a great deal of separation among the teams. It's entirely realistic first and last are separated by five games.
