OldSchoolSnapper

^The states experiencing spikes was completely expected as they continued testing more and more. You need the rates, not the volume. The volume of cases going up is half a story, really a non-story. Combined with finally admitting that cases were present in the USA in January, and the mortality rape dropping to what the looney crowd projected all along. I don't think anybody thought the number of cases would not increase. His point is accurate. The more time that passes and the more we learn the more the virus appears to be a massive overreaction. I fully expect headlines in coming months to be "mortality for COVID19 much lower than estimates" as well as "COVID19 was far more prevalent in January than estimated."

If it were this simple I'd agree but the fact is that a ton of people aren't just doing that, they are actively judging those who choose to live normally and acting like they're completely insane. You can barely dissent from this at all in public, god forbid question it on social media, without people calling you Karen (doesn't even align with the meme), calling you a MAGA guy, or some other kind of dismissive insult. To be honest, I've seen a lot more of that than what you're suggesting. That was not mentioned on this topic at all. It was about people wearing a mask while outdoors jogging exercising etc. So, essentially you've just stereotyped that a person wearing a mask is now a judgy jerk in this. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? I mean, in this specific example in the thread it was a poster doing it to the mask wearer and your first response it to say the mask wearer is actually the judgy one rather than the guy, you know, judging and making fun of the mask wearer. I fully agree anyone freaking out and creating a confrontation are over the line. Whoever posted the youtube video of that example confrontation a page or two back is spot on. Confronting and judging on either side of it helps in no way. Also, I have no idea how you're not seeing a large faction ripping on the hysteria of corona. This is out there, heck essentially an entire faction of the media is dedicated to it. You had mass protest all over the country for it. Or do you not have any ties or interaction with more rural parts of the state? That is essentially all a huge portion of them have been saying since mid February. And of course in today's world no matter what new info presents itself, they'll never admit they've been wrong. My point was essentially, all the guy jogging or going to the grocery store with the mask is doing is being overly cautious with the goal of maybe helping you. And you're ripping him for it. The guys piled into bars screaming Sweet Caroline into each other's faces are actively choosing to increase your risk. I'm not saying they can't live their lives, it's their choice and we're all gonna have to live again at some point. But if one insists on laughing/judging like this poster was doing which one would warrant "laughing at" in terms of their ignorance and stupidity? The one trying to help(however minimally it might be), or the one intentionally increasing the risk(however minimally it might be)? Ok, first off, I wasn't isolating that to this topic. I'm saying in general, in public, the sentiment that's now finally fading, is that anyone questioning this was a loon, a fan of he will not be named, etc. TRUST SCIENCE, FLATTEN THE CURVE. I thought my post spelled that out rather clearly literally using the phrase 'in public' and mentioning social media. That has only recently started to turn. In fact, BF.net is the only place I visit where the dissenting conversation was even allowed to take place. You can't do it anywhere but small pockets on Reddit, Facebook and Twitter are no-gos unless you want to be screamed at, and I live in rural WI, so no, I'm not "turned off" to the rural parts of the state. In my community, it was not taken as seriously, however as soon as you engage any kind of mass media, the world was ending for about 6 weeks. And actually, the premise of what you're saying here is built on a straw man. The poster said they would chuckle at a person in a mask riding a bike down a country road. They did not say it "bothered" them, which is what the replying poster said. Nor did they judge them. They said they'd chuckle. For wearing a mask on a bike ride or jog, not for wearing a mask, which is what you indicated above. You're mish-mashing a bunch of significant distinguishing details there. Last, reconciling "nobody's saying that" with this viewtopic.php?p=1300619#p1300619 is quite hypocritical. The debate over the shutdown stopping spread, and the degree to which it did, is a completely valid one. The data hasn't proven anything in regards to the shutdown's effectiveness. There are a bunch of places that did little to nothing and didn't experience anything differently.

Wish we could put this on a billboard.

I'd still watch it, and it would probably be fun, but you're kidding yourself if you think history is going to treat a 50-game season with weirdo playoffs and no fans the same as all the others. It's a gimmick at this point. Gimmicks can still be fun but seriously, if the Brewers win a WS this way, no one outside of MKE County is going to recognize that. Maybe you don't care. Maybe I don't care.

There's a breakpoint though where the number of games provides diminishing returns and at a certain point negative returns because there are no fans. Playing some games is worth it for the TV deal, but the value per game goes down the more games there are. It's not really dubious at all. Zero tickets, zero concessions, zero in-house merch sales. TV advertisers won't pay a whole lot more for 82 broadcasts vs. 50.

If it were this simple I'd agree but the fact is that a ton of people aren't just doing that, they are actively judging those who choose to live normally and acting like they're completely insane. You can barely dissent from this at all in public, god forbid question it on social media, without people calling you Karen (doesn't even align with the meme), calling you a MAGA guy, or some other kind of dismissive insult. To be honest, I've seen a lot more of that than what you're suggesting.

Just scrap this. Like anyone is going to take a 50-game season champion seriously.

I have severe doubts there will be college football this year. You're probably right, but where does this stop? If there's no high school football and no college football (likely) why would there be pro football? Why, at that point, should we think baseball 2021 is safe? The "safe" threshold seems to move every week and I am beginning to think anything short of eradication is not going to be acceptable. Everyone should be watching Mickey Mouse closely, of all things. What happens down there is either going to finally get this rolling or set everything back.

I guess I dont see why it's funny that someone doesnt want to risk spreading their germs even in an open space. The risk of transmission while riding a bike or jogging outside is effectively 0. It's at the point where if you're going to do that you might as well get the thing sewn on your face with a zipper for eating because germs. Doesn't "bother" me, but I'd also probably laugh.

I'm with superfly on this simply because there was no way to explain how wearing a mask wasn't helpful. That was a bunch of BS. They knew early on that airborne was an issue. If I put a mask on and don't drool and get boogers all over the produce that's obviously helpful. That was an outright lie that they waited to change gears on.

Why? You can't get on a plane without one. It's out of your control. If you feel fine doing so, go on your trip. The masks will be a part of air travel for a super long time, probably way after reasonable risk has subsided. If I can go back to normal life faster just by wearing the stupid mask, I'll agree to those terms. It seems completely rational to me to think this is a huge overreaction and just agree to wear the mask because you're playing by the rules.

It's encouraging that the Players Association came back with an actual offer. With all of the tragic news in the headlines over the past few days, neither side of the baseball negotiation is likely to garner much in the way of public support. Caring about baseball seems like a luxury. The two sides will either work it out or they won't. But doing their negotiating in public seems petulant. We have more important stuff in the public consciousness right now. I feel like a lot of people have checked out of this. I think I'm there. They could never say another word about MLB this year and I've moved on. The fact that I can't go to any games really sucks a lot of it out for me. Personally, I think all the makeshift season ideas for all the leagues just make it illegitimate. If the Bucks go on and win their pick-up tournament with no fans at Disney World, it will be pretty hard for me to consider that a championship. At this point I'd be unaffected by a white flag and a commitment to make this work in March. With fans, like normal, as it should be. When something drags out this long people adjust. Probably a lot of people that have realized going for walks with their families is a better use of time than 3.5 hours with FSN every night. Just feels like it's past the point of giving people some hope - most of us have adjusted to how things are now.

I'd still guess some kind of season takes place because some money is better than 0 money. But total cancellation wouldn't shock me at this point. Guessing it wouldn't shock anyone.

I think this is posturing, to be honest. They'll make a deal when they have to and not any earlier.

Well I didn't make the comment, just chiming in that hospitals are suffering economically too (boo hoo, I know).

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/852435761/as-hospitals-lose-revenue-thousands-of-health-care-workers-face-furloughs-layoff I don't know about nurse-specific data but healthcare has not been immune to furloughs and layoffs by any stretch. The cancellation of electives combined with onslaught of patients never happening has caused issues. I've also received two phone calls to schedule physicals in my household, something that has NEVER happened before. They would have lost money even with the onslaught of patients though. The electives are much more lucrative. I read an article over the weekend about "collateral damage" in healthcare as the article called it. Basically people are not going to the hospital with non-Covid issues and some are dying from treatable things directly because of it. They're afraid of imminent COVID19 death so they opt not to go the hospital, and end up dying. I'll see if I can dig it up.

Color me whatever, but I think the players using their families as a reason we can't have a season is kind of a joke. At this point we're looking at 2-4 months of baseball. They can't sack up and do that? A lot of other people do every day, for a lot less money. I'm sure there are some cases where a player really can't isolate and playing ball would not work, and those cases should be handled differently. But it feels more like a bargaining chip to me than an actual concern that they have. I'd empathize more if they just said "It's about the money, and we want what was promised." I agree that it is a huge ask, but this is an exceptional time. If they're going to dig their heels in and expect a normal environment minus the fans, just call it off now because there's no way it's happening.

Feel like reality is somewhere between those two posts. The commissioner needs the players to feel safe, whether the danger is real or perceived. The actual threat to the players is infinitesimally small. There are ways to play games without putting their ""high risk" friends and family in danger.

It is a large appreciation but downtown is drastically "cooler" since he bought it. I think it probably would have been listed about now even if we were having a regular season. Also of note is that it is a 3BR and he is about to have 3 kids. Fine for normal people, but if he wants to play another year they could just move into something larger. And hire people to do all the work.

That kind of stopped last year, actually. They didn't really lose any ratings from 2018 to 2019, but F1 is really making them sweat and it's not hard to see why. The televised product blows NASCAR away IMO. But the ratings bump they got last week is pretty strong indicator that there is still quite a shortage of entertainment for most people. Stuff opening up isn't really solving that issue that quickly. There are a bunch of people still choosing not to go anywhere and a bunch of people with no money.

Real Heroes 400 was up 38% on TV from the last race. It was a three-year high for their TV broadcasts outside of Daytona... You're pretty much making a straw man. This is less about MLB being a summer hero than it is about a sport that's already struggling, choosing not to take advantage of a tremendous opportunity. Pissing off their current fans should be a huge concern to them. That's not some minor detail, they can't afford to lose them.

That seems like an incredibly dumb strategy in any sales field unless you are absolutely sure your prospective client is on the same political wavelength. You'd be surprised how many RE agents posts political memes on their personal pages

Which is why this is so amazing to watch. A perfect opportunity was handed to them on a silver platter and they're going to let the NBA walk off with it.

They're not, and it wasn't a "straw man." I was saying that once travel resumes, and you're the travel coordinator for large company, you'll just opt to avoid that and send your guys some place else. I'm simply telling you the reality of the situation, that there is no incentive for corporate clients to book their people at these places when things open up. As for personal travel, I personally wouldn't care, but I have more than a handful of acquaintances who would do the same thing. Pick one of the other 5 chains that wasn't hosting sick people. I mean, why not? There is no reason to go there if you have options. But you can see the issue with the hotel idea. So now they have to be compensated for hosting patients, the period of time between hosting patients and regular people, the effect of which will be extremely difficult to quantify. It's simply a headache there is no reason to sign up for.